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Re: One Second After

Postby Berendtsen » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:37 pm

JCD wrote:I liked the book. In fact, I couldn't put it down.

One thing which I thought lacking in realism was the fact that the survivalists and prepared were not raided by starving people. This seems highly unlikely.


Actually, in one part of the novel where the "city council" is deciding how to apportion the existing food they make a conscious decision to confiscate all farm animals and farm produce but not confiscate individual food stores with the caveat that if someone goes on the village's rations they have to turn over any stored food. (Jeez, and I thought they were going to kill all the lawyers first in the PAW. How did that get through?).

Later in the novel, the main character wakes up to find two guys rummaging through his house looking for food and he kills them. I think the underlying assumption is that the survivalist characters had the same experience (and maybe the same result).

That seemed a little unrealistic. The way Asheville handled the matter (confiscating all food with people with political connections getting more) seemed right on the money. It seemed entirely unlikely that within 3 months of the grid going down that a cannibal army would scour the land eating everybody in their way. Look at Somalia. They've had chronic food shortages. Where are the cannibal armies? Certainly there's civil unrest, pirates, and warlords, but no posse of rump-eaters.

Anyway, overall, it was a good book.
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Re: One Second After

Postby gabe » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:38 pm

I saw this mentioned favorably at lightfighter, and here too...guess I need to get a copy.
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Re: One Second After

Postby Pathman » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:52 pm

I read this book and even saved MP3 from the book on CD. I finally got my wife to read it and she finally gets my prepping. She even mentioned we should get a shotgun. (I love this book :wink: ) I work a part time security job on the weekends and I lent it to my co-worker to read. We both were working out how we would get home from there if it hit then. He lives close by, but I'm an hour drive about 30 miles away. We worked out what supplies were available to assist us in getting home. An old bike that has been chained in the garage for a couple years left by someone at the homeless shelter no doubt would be the best way for me to get started. If stores were open, most people would not know what was going on so giving them my credit card number for a newer bike and trailer would probably work. :lol:
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Re: One Second After

Postby frath0 » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:49 pm

Having read Lights Out and exposed to the survival mentality (just a bit, but enough), the initial shock of the SHTF had a little less effect on me, but I liked how the author handled it. There were a lot of points where I thought "I'd do that" or "WTF were they THINKING?!" which means (to me) he covered a lot of bases while writing it. IF I could just get Mrs. h0 to read it, she'd realize why there's 100#'s of rice sitting in the basement right now that she doesn't know about. I'd hope I and the family would survive, but with two small kids, it could get ugly for us really quickly. On a preparedness scale of 1 to 10, I can't say I've more than a 5 at any given time, unfortunately. The only thing that makes me semi-secure is that most people hover around a 1-2.

On a side note, I gave the book to wifey's guy friend to read JUST the introduction. He nearly shit himself and wanted to go out and buy a gun and supplies right then. I'll probably buy it for him just because.
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Re: One Second After

Postby dmaxd03 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:15 pm

I have not yet read this book, but at a work related seminar on nuclear effects, the "professionals" reccomended the book as a "reasonable outcome of a small, 3 nuclear warhead EMP attack on the US" He went on to say that by reasonable, he meant that many studies have come out with either more or less severe outcomes. Most interesting to me was the discussion on what technology was survivable and what was not. While cars and trucks might be affected for a max of 30 mins, the power grid was essentially done for, as transformers were fried. And as I was unaware, large scale transformers are not plentiful on the shelves and are very expensive, meaning the grid could be down for months in most areas. This means most fuel pumps that are not manually run are useless. Also refineries would be out of commission. While cars may survive the fuel needed will be in very short supply.
Just as interesting is the effect on GPS. While it is a satilllite system, it requires a timing signal from a ground control system to sync the satillites. Without power the satillites will lose accuracy as the time standard degrades in each individual satillite. Essentially in 3 days to a week, gps will be degraded to the point of uselessness.

Fact - Bill Nye did a show on EMP for the US Government. Not super informative but entertaining none the less.
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Re: One Second After

Postby Pathman » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:16 am

frath0 wrote:On a side note, I gave the book to wifey's guy friend to read JUST the introduction. He nearly shit himself and wanted to go out and buy a gun and supplies right then. I'll probably buy it for him just because.


I find this a very effective way to get my wife to read or try something. If I suggest something, she doesn't go for it, but if one of her friends suggests the same thing a few weeks later, she's all for it. Usually that goes for movie suggestions. In this case, she needed something to read and I had it available.
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Re: One Second After

Postby DaveJohns » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:09 am

Just finished it. Heavy stuff. And yes, it does make one take a hard look at their preps; the whole time I was reading, I had a voice in the back of my head going "and what if me and mine were liveing there" and far worse "What if we were vacationing in Ashville when it happened"?!!

From a prep standpoint, I think this book does a lot better job of making me think things through than "Lights Out" did. LO didn't have the same impact, the same desperation. (it is a great read, however) This one is like a prequel to "The Road" or something. Very heavy.

I am a little too empathic sometimes. It was a difficult book.
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Re: One Second After

Postby 23blue » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:55 am

For me this was a page turner I think I finished it about 30 hours after I picked it up. 10% survival rate was brutal, now I am adding a old truck to my list of supplies to buy at the very next store.

I don't want to believe that things implode so quickly.

I think I will just stay home for a few months.

Can you really drink water out of the pool?
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Re: One Second After

Postby 23blue » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:57 am

Forgot one thing. Does anyone know where I can read Lights out? Is it just online?
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Re: One Second After

Postby Pathman » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:48 pm

Lights Out:

It can either be downloaded in 2 parts from: http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/friends_links.html

Or the entire PDF can be saved from here: http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Global/090615.LightsOut-Current.pdf
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Re: One Second After

Postby 23blue » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:40 am

Many thanks Pathman.
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Re: One Second After

Postby thelung187 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:30 pm

I just finished this book tonight, read it in less than a week's time, and all I can say is *wow.* Thankfully I'm more prepared today than I was a year ago, but it was really interesting to see how much of a societal breakdown there was just without the creature comforts we've all become accustomed to. A few things:

- Is there a sequel in the works?
- Florida (or otherwise overly temperate/subtropical zones) strikes me as a halfway decent place to setup a long-term camp; plenty of wildlife, no winters, and given available shelter, fairly covered from the elements (depending on what portion of the state you're in).

That's all I've got atm.
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Re: One Second After

Postby Browning 35 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:45 pm

23blue wrote:I don't want to believe that things implode so quickly.


In the cities it might actually be worse.

Think of the urban population of L.A., Chicago, NY, Detriot or Miami ripping each other apart once the lights went out, if they knew that food was going to be scarce and if all the cops went home and there wasn't really anyway to call out the National Guard. It would get bad quick. NY went apeshit in just a matter on minutes not too long ago when the electricity went out.

Can you really drink water out of the pool?


I've heard of people doing it before. The chlorine might be a little bad for you, but dirty water would be way worse.
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Re: One Second After

Postby thelight » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:24 pm

Finished this a few days ago and needed some time to let it all settle in. With what little family I have left on one form of life-prolonging medication or another, it really makes you think in a deeper way about your preps.
In a word: Sobering.
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Re: One Second After

Postby spacecase0 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:39 pm

Can you really drink water out of the pool?

usually the hardness of the water is to high due to the pool chemicals.
you really do need to purify it first before you drink it,
distillation would make it safe to drink.
solar distillers are easy to make.
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Re: One Second After

Postby Abacus » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:56 am

Just finished this.

It is probably one of the better written PAW books that I've come across (though that isn't saying much). It's almost a modern retelling of Alas Babylon, (which is ok, as it is my favourite PAW book and the author is pretty clear about it).

It is not epic in scale, (alos like Alas Babylon) there is one main character, and everyone else. Unfortunately, similar to Lights Out, most of the innovation comes from the main character, which is I think unrealistic and a little tiresome as well. At least he's not a superman like the Lights out character. But he does share a lot of characteristics with the author which is a cop out on characterization, and something of a nod to the self masturbatory fantasies of Lights Out.

The book is loaded with right wing ideology and American patriotism, making it hard for me personally to get through (but since the author works with Newt Gingrich, that was pretty easy to see coming, not a surprise and I was able to work through it).

It is not a manual, in fact it is rather delightfully absent of the "how to" detail that I find prevalent in lesser works of PAW fiction. Having said that, there were a few little challenges in the storyline that get mentioned, then just left behind (water).

But damm, some of the cliches are SO cliche. Technology is evil, modern Americans are weak, educated and professional city folk are useless (at least he doesn't use the term "people", that is an instant put down and walk away for me) and cannibals, wow there's so many cannibals in the PAW I don't think we should wait, but turn cannibal now so we'll be ready. :roll:

I rate it a 3, an entertaining waste of my time, but not really good enough for me to recommend (which would be a 4) or own (a 5).
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Re: One Second After

Postby DrunkWookiee » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:12 pm

IMHO people need to be shocked into preparing. 9/11 and Katrina shocked many but not me.

It took this book to shock me enough to begin preparing.

The main reason I read it was because I've been a fan of the author's for over a decade. His "Lost Regiment" series is the most original science fiction I've ever read. Since I'm already a fan of Forstchen's, it goes without saying that I think his writing and characterizations are excellent.

I like that it shows ordinary Americans dealing with an extraordinary situation. No super-soldiers or super-survivalists. Just ordinary folk.

What was most shocking to me were the medical implications. Die-offs coming in waves. The first wave as those dependent on electricity (dialysis, pacemakers) died within the first week. The second wave as those dependent on constant prescription medication died after 30 days when their meds ran out. The third wave as communicable diseases developed and spread due to little sanitation and medical care. The extinction of all diabetics including the protaganist's 12 year old daughter. The improvised hospital where doctors are reduced to Civil War medicine, cutting off limbs with hacksaws. The "Prozac Nation" on withdrawl. The horrors of the nursing home.

A real eye-opener.

I'd wholeheartly recommend this book to anyone.

In fact, I think ALL Americans should read this book.
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Re: One Second After

Postby The Commander » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:46 pm

Like a PMag, got it, didn't see what the hype was about. It is a good tragedy though, but pretty predictable. It wasn't focused on preps every paragraph like Patriots, which makes it good in a way.
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Re: One Second After

Postby spaceman » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:40 pm

Glennbo wrote:SPOILER ALERT!

Oh noooo! Please noooo! Not ANOTHER cliched battle with roving bands of barbarian cannibals! AAauuuuggghhhh!!
What is it with PAW authors and the vicious roving armies of cannibals? Is it some sort of disease? Some sort of innate PAW-author cerebral reflex? Are they all just dumb or lazy? Do publishers refuse to print unless they're in there? I can't stand it anymore!

For most of the book the author very realistically dealt with cannibalism as an abberation, as well as the gradual redistribution and cutting of rations and whole families starving to death WITHOUT resorting to cannibalism, and I was really impressed. Especially poignant were the honest decisions about whether or not kill and ration out the family dogs. Realistic, heartbreaking stuff. But then sure enough, right on cue this barbarian "Posse" cult/gang/army shows up. I thought I'd flashed back to "Lucifer's Hammer". It truly broke my heart and ruined an otherwise perfect book. What a tragedy. Shame on the author! Shame!

A much more probable battle would have been the larger town to west that had it's water supply under the control of the smaller one mounting a "military" expedition to sieze this vital resource. But instead of enriching his story by pursuing a plot line that offered the potential for a great mix of pathos and brutality, and that explored the true questions about fine gradations concerning the morality of initiating this type of "civil war", the author wimped out and got lazy with the black/white choice of fighting barbarian cannibals. Of course we'll fight the barbarian cannibals! Who wouldn't fight the barbarian cannibals? But would you take up arms and risk getting killed fighting other decent people like yourself in order to control their water? What a waste of a great potential plot line. MUST I WRITE ALL THESE BOOKS MYSELF?!!!

SPOILER ALERT OFF!



Actually Glennbo, I think you should give serious thought to writing a book. I'm sure people with lesser talent have succeeded (I could name one book that is a fan favorite of the forum members here, but is hardly well written), and the scenario you mentioned above really intrigues me.

Seriously, if my hunch is correct, I think you could write a really good story.
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Re: One Second After

Postby Readphnx » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:50 pm

Just finished the book, very thought provoking and scary. It makes me feel lucky that I live in the midwest.
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Re: One Second After

Postby EECHAY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:22 am

Jeeez, apparently I'm a speed reader. Finished it in about 5 hours.

EMP attacks are scary. If whoever were to launch such an attack, they'd hit with dirty bombs and/or biological as well as. Quite possibly the activation of cells inland to take out certain high value targets such as major bridges or anything that would help with the rebuilding is a possibility.

I disagree with the 9 out of 10 dead assessment as well.

I also disagree that the entire southwest (TEXAS) would fall so easily to Mexico. They got hit too. Don't discount all the hardcore hunters/preppers/and crazy Vets like me.

Note: I fuckin cried at a few parts at the end of the book. I won't lie.

Damned good read. I'm going to be pressing this book in the hands of a few people.
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Re: One Second After

Postby Famine » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:00 am

Like thelight, I found this book sobering. My grandfather is on Kidney Dialysis, and a Diabetic. His insurance only allows us to get 2 vials of insulin at a prescription fill time. He can do Dialysis manually. We have about 30 days worth of supplies, and we get a restock every 2 weeks. Beyond that, if infrastructure shuts down, that will be it. You can't cook up insulin at home, or make sterile bags and insulin fluids at home in your kitchen.

The dialysis process is very very sterile. In a world with disease so rampant and dangerous, even the slightest slip up, infection, then deafness, kidney shut down, shock, then death. If he runs out of insulin before more is received, he will slowly shut down, and fall into diabetic shock, lose function and die.

Coupling these facts presented in this story, this tale takes place about 30 minutes from where my Aunt and Uncle live. I am familiar with the area, the scenery, and the descriptions. This makes it super realistic to me, and even more shocking.

I will elaborate more later, as I am still digesting it. I do suggest everyone read this book, soon.

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Re: One Second After

Postby spaceman » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:08 pm

On a side note, have any of you noticed the striking similarity in the covers of these two books? Think it was done as a homage?

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Re: One Second After

Postby GoSlash27 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:46 pm

Actually Glennbo, I think you should give serious thought to writing a book. I'm sure people with lesser talent have succeeded (I could name one book that is a fan favorite of the forum members here, but is hardly well written), and the scenario you mentioned above really intrigues me.

Seriously, if my hunch is correct, I think you could write a really good story.

I followed through the thread just to say this. Seriously. "Let's go to war over our control of their water supply" is a *much* more entertaining concept than cannibal raiders. You should write it.
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