Lock defeating...

[ODA 226]

In Virginia simple possession of a pick set is "Prima Facia" evidence that you intend to commit a felony.

Incorrect...

VA - Virginia
Code of Virginia - Section 18.2-94 - Possession of burglarious tools, etc.
If any person have in his possession any tools, implements or outfit, with intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny, upon conviction thereof he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny.

Basically, it can only be used against you if you are convicted of burglary or larceny and makes your conviction more serious. They are legal to own, unless you're found to have been up to no good with them... It will just prove that you went out with an intent to commit a crime, but you're allowed to have them... checked with the Frederick County Courthouse.

Snow Ape: You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny Please look up the term PRIMA FACIE and read in detail before you post something that will land you or someone else in jail.

[Boondock]

In Virginia simple possession of a pick set is "Prima Facia" evidence that you intend to commit a felony.

Incorrect...

VA - Virginia
Code of Virginia - Section 18.2-94 - Possession of burglarious tools, etc.
If any person have in his possession any tools, implements or outfit, with intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny, upon conviction thereof he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny.

Basically, it can only be used against you if you are convicted of burglary or larceny and makes your conviction more serious. They are legal to own, unless you're found to have been up to no good with them... It will just prove that you went out with an intent to commit a crime, but you're allowed to have them... checked with the Frederick County Courthouse.

Snow Ape: You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny Please look up the term PRIMA FACIE and read in detail before you post something that will land you or someone else in jail.

Inserts monocle, cues Masterpiece Theatre soundtrack ...

"Prima facie," in Latin, translates to, "At first face," as in at first sight, glance or appearance.

In the modern courtroom, the phrase is best described as, "Good luck trying to convince the judge, have fun in prison."

[ODA 226]

In Virginia simple possession of a pick set is "Prima Facia" evidence that you intend to commit a felony.

Incorrect...

VA - Virginia
Code of Virginia - Section 18.2-94 - Possession of burglarious tools, etc.
If any person have in his possession any tools, implements or outfit, with intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny, upon conviction thereof he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny.

Basically, it can only be used against you if you are convicted of burglary or larceny and makes your conviction more serious. They are legal to own, unless you're found to have been up to no good with them... It will just prove that you went out with an intent to commit a crime, but you're allowed to have them... checked with the Frederick County Courthouse.

Snow Ape: You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny Please look up the term PRIMA FACIE and read in detail before you post something that will land you or someone else in jail.

Inserts monocle, cues Masterpiece Theatre soundtrack ...

"Prima facie," in Latin, translates to, "At first face," as in at first sight, glance or appearance.

In the modern courtroom, the phrase is best described as, "Good luck trying to convince the judge, have fun in prison."

HAHAHAHA!!!!! The funny thing here is that I'm a former Virginia LEO and have seen DOZENS of folks arrested and convicted for being in possession of burglary tools! Picksets included!

[Mr_Sheesh]

A locksmith I know has his own set, I may buy a set and keep it heat-sealed unless using it, rubber banded to my practice lock set - unless I just borrow his set and his expertise, to see what works for me. (I help him with electronics problems on occasion.)

YEARS and years ago (30?) I'd heard of "rapping" a padlock, where you hit a padlock's body to cause it to pop open - Friend managed to lock his keys in his duffel bag, instead of cutting his duffel open I picked up a piece of rebar that was nearby and hit the padlock, holding the duffel with my other hand - dang thing opened on the first hit! Shocked the heck out of all of us, and he accused me of having too much knowledge about things like that LOL! I haven't tried it since, but it made an impression on me.

So a piece of 3/8" rebar 14" long "could be" a "lockpicking tool", mumble. LOL

[LittleQuick]

VERY Good read. I've always wanted to learn how to lock pick, but never got around to it.



Just curious what all junk or other tools could double as lock picking materials?


(Saw the windshield wiper thing)

[Mr_Sheesh]

From looking around on YouTube and other sites & from emails I've received I'd suggest not letting others take pictures of your keys' edges (apparently you can duplicate keys from a good picture of them now?) so a cell phone with a camera, or a camera, could be considered a burglary tool? Could black the edges out so they're not easy to guess accurately

YouTube has a vid of making a copy of your own keys using a PET soda bottle (PET is what most soda bottles are made of.) Apparently works well, you'd need a torsion boost for deadlocks (& they sell that)

Humans are pretty innovative and good at finding ways around most limitations, seems like.

Where I lived before now, someone backed up to a road where they had a blocking bar across it (one of those with a pretty fair security housing for the padlock) and apparently cut the bar in half with a cutoff saw (We guessed by looking at it, didn't look like hacksaw work) - Called the property owner soon as we saw that. Probably an inverter and so on, but maybe a generator. Pretty darn hard to stop that sort of dedicated burglar, it was alongside SR410 so there can be a fair bit of road noise but that was pretty darn BRAZEN. Probably a poacher or something.

Mythbusters showed that you could defeat many locks with a 12 gauge / rifle so probably those count too. Bolt cutters for certain could be misused to defeat some locks, etc.

[Vanniek71]

I ran across this the other day.......seems to use a fairly common resource (soda cans) to do what the topic is about (gaining entry in a PAW situation)

http://www.itstactical.com/skillcom/lock-picking/how-to-open-a-padlock-with-a-coke-can/

[ODA 226]

I ran across this the other day.......seems to use a fairly common resource (soda cans) to do what the topic is about (gaining entry in a PAW situation)

http://www.itstactical.com/skillcom/lock-picking/how-to-open-a-padlock-with-a-coke-can/

If you're going to use a beer can shim to bypass a combo lock, you need to be VERY careful not to cut the hell out of your hand! One slip and that thin aluminum will cut you like a razor to the bone!

[Snow-Ape]

In Virginia simple possession of a pick set is "Prima Facia" evidence that you intend to commit a felony.

Incorrect...

VA - Virginia
Code of Virginia - Section 18.2-94 - Possession of burglarious tools, etc.
If any person have in his possession any tools, implements or outfit, with intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny, upon conviction thereof he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny.

Basically, it can only be used against you if you are convicted of burglary or larceny and makes your conviction more serious. They are legal to own, unless you're found to have been up to no good with them... It will just prove that you went out with an intent to commit a crime, but you're allowed to have them... checked with the Frederick County Courthouse.

Snow Ape: You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny Please look up the term PRIMA FACIE and read in detail before you post something that will land you or someone else in jail.

Hey, you know what... You're right. I can't own them in VA. The irony is that I contacted the County Courthouse and spoke with a sheriffs deputy, read the law verbatim and they stated that they thought I could have them since they were procured in government service, however, I'm not confident of the that fact now. That being said, I've got the tools, glad I have them and know given enough time or opportunity, I can make use of them.

[ODA 226]

@Snowape: Just keep them in your house and continue to practice your skills...but not on locks that you use everyday. Have fun!

[Vanniek71]

I ran across this the other day.......seems to use a fairly common resource (soda cans) to do what the topic is about (gaining entry in a PAW situation)

http://www.itstactical.com/skillcom/lock-picking/how-to-open-a-padlock-with-a-coke-can/

If you're going to use a beer can shim to bypass a combo lock, you need to be VERY careful not to cut the hell out of your hand! One slip and that thin aluminum will cut you like a razor to the bone!

Yeah I was thinking that too, while it could be very useful, if you aren't careful it can be very dangerous!

[ODA 226]

@Vanniek71,
I still have the scar on my right index finger. I'm speaking from experience!

I bought some real steel shims from SouthOrd a while back and keep them in my kit. They are solid and won't suddenly collapse like a beer can shim will and it's the sudden collapse that will cut the shit out of you!

[ptAltered]

I love lock picking and carry a set or two in my BOB.

Kevin Mitnick, the "famous hacker", runs a security company now that issues these as business cards;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranh/106709219/

Available for $5 from http://mitnicksecurity.com/

Those card work well, although the tension wrench isn't as effective as a full sized one.

[Kevin108]

Part of my job includes locksmith work. For a long time I thought spending the extra money on a real Master Lock was worth it. They're smooth-working locks and easier to open. Cheap locks have always been much more difficult to open. Same goes for doors. Best locks are easy to pick but a cheap old Kwikset gives me fits.

Oh I got all that... but a pick kit fits in my Kitbag.

My two favorite picks and a tension wrench fit great inside the case along with my Mini Maglite.

[SRO1911]

I have been playing with locks since I was little, my first step dad was a locksmith and he would hand me a lock and an old set of picks and say have at it. I think for him it was just to keep me occupied lol, but it got me into it. I have some pretty nice tools and am always buying oddball locks at junk sales et.
I have been trying a Medeco for a while now - one of these days I will get it open, probably about the same time I can afford Medeco locks for everything.
Its more a hobby than what I would consider PAW skill, but you never know.
BTW anyone have any tips on Medeco Biaxial? - Its in a S&G 951. Bought the lock at a flea market with no key of course. May be the best 5 dollar investment i have ever made - when I bought it I just thought it looked like a challenge, I had no clue what they cost or what they were usually used for,
I really don't want to think about how this came to be at a flea market - I just smile and think about XXXXX when the thought comes up.

[shiddymunkie]

With all the stuff on Youtube nowadays, is there any desire for lock picking tutorials here at ZS? I have a decent amount of tools, transparent practice locks, etc and can pick automobile disc locks, standard and security pin/tumblers, etc...but I wouldn't want to waste my time making videos just for my own sake

[docdredd]

Honestly ever time we get to far into this people get all wigged out. OH MAI GOD11!! THAT ILLEGAL.... IM TELLING.

Im a huge fan of non destructive bypass. And have been adding to my chain of defeated locks for a few years now.

[Ten Eight]

With all the stuff on Youtube nowadays, is there any desire for lock picking tutorials here at ZS? I have a decent amount of tools, transparent practice locks, etc and can pick automobile disc locks, standard and security pin/tumblers, etc...but I wouldn't want to waste my time making videos just for my own sake

I'll be interested, as I'm just getting into locksport. What's a good source for transparent locks?

[shiddymunkie]

With all the stuff on Youtube nowadays, is there any desire for lock picking tutorials here at ZS? I have a decent amount of tools, transparent practice locks, etc and can pick automobile disc locks, standard and security pin/tumblers, etc...but I wouldn't want to waste my time making videos just for my own sake

I'll be interested, as I'm just getting into locksport. What's a good source for transparent locks?

I purchased the standard/security pin tumblers and tubular locks from SouthOrd. I also picked up the Ford and Honda transparent locks from lockpicks.com, but they have some good all-around practice locks as well.

[ODA 226]

With all the stuff on Youtube nowadays, is there any desire for lock picking tutorials here at ZS? I have a decent amount of tools, transparent practice locks, etc and can pick automobile disc locks, standard and security pin/tumblers, etc...but I wouldn't want to waste my time making videos just for my own sake

I'll be interested, as I'm just getting into locksport. What's a good source for transparent locks?

I purchased the standard/security pin tumblers and tubular locks from SouthOrd. I also picked up the Ford and Honda transparent locks from lockpicks.com, but they have some good all-around practice locks as well.

Southord has a great assortment of training locks. I have a few of them myself.

[ODA 226]

With all the stuff on Youtube nowadays, is there any desire for lock picking tutorials here at ZS? I have a decent amount of tools, transparent practice locks, etc and can pick automobile disc locks, standard and security pin/tumblers, etc...but I wouldn't want to waste my time making videos just for my own sake

I'll be interested, as I'm just getting into locksport. What's a good source for transparent locks?

I purchased the standard/security pin tumblers and tubular locks from SouthOrd. I also picked up the Ford and Honda transparent locks from lockpicks.com, but they have some good all-around practice locks as well.

Southord has a great assortment of training locks. I have a few of them myself.

[Ten Eight]

Some vids would be cool. All the ones on Youtube seem to be super grainy and shot by some wierdo in a dark trailer. Needz moar 1080pee.

[shiddymunkie]

I'm currently in the process of purchasing a house, and will be moving around the end of the month. Once I get settled in, I can start making videos with the locks I currently have. I'll probably do this in the form of a separate thread, at which point people can make requests for other locks they'd like tutorials on. As money and time allows, I'll purchase said locks, practice picking them, and then post new videos once I have those pinned down. So far I can pick standard and spool pin tumblers, Honda and Ford automobile locks, and am currently working on the standard and spool pinned tubular locks (which are sort of a pain...but with practice shouldn't be an issue).

My philosophy is being able to pick as wide of a range of locks possible with the fewest tools (i.e. no 100-peice set of bump keys or nichey tools designed for just one particular lock like those you can purchase for tubular locks). I have purchased around 20 different types of picks, have about a dozen different tension wrenches, and have played around both snap guns and electric picks. I believe that most locks can be picked with a single tension wrench and a single type of pick, and am currently using all different combinations of picks/wrenches that I own to determine which are the most broadly effective. Once I get my hands on more varieties of locks to pick, i'll let you know which tools you actually need, and which are just unnecessary clutter/expense.

[sworbeyegib]

I would love to learn, just for fun. It just seems like a fun/useful skillset to have. As a building manager, I can see this being useful as well. I have a set of keys to every unit in my apt building (around 90), so that in case of emergency I can get into the unit. Most of the people happily enjoy this power I have, mostly because they tend to lock themselves out once in awhile, or water may be leaking while they arn't home.

Some of the tenants change their locks, and forget to give me a new set of keys. If that happens, I'm legally allowed to get into the unit by any means in case of emergency, and the owner is liable for any damage that more occur, not myself. So if someone locks themself out of their apt, ok, time to call a locksmith, hope he gets here within a few hours. if say there is water/smoke coming from behind the door, well then I'm kicking that shit in like a boss. I guess it would be good to have something in the middle.

Thanks for the link to the legalities state by state by the way. I never knew exactly what our laws were.