Long term storage - Booze

[Vel454]

Personally, I would definitely be excited to see a bottle of Glenfiddich 18 (like it more than the 21) in my hands in a PAW. But I think the 'value' in having booze to trade, would be to ex/current alcoholics/heavy drinkers, or people that can afford to trade some stuff for enough to throw a party/celebration like a large group. But I think the getting the most coin for you, would be to keep the bottles strong, cheap, and small. a 350ml bottle of some 151 type strength alcohol would be the 'fix' the vast majority are going to seek. If your bugging in, and have ample room for other supplies, there is absolutely no reason you can't stock a few bottles of top-shelf stuff (make sure it's something you'd enjoy too). If the right person comes along, you have something good they would like to have - if not... toast yourself to another day lived with a nice dram each night by the fire.

[JesterODX]

As mentioned Beer lasts the least, 6-12 months max, even if unopened and kept in a cool dark place.

Not true. Pasteurized beers (almost all of them) can stay drinkable for far longer than that.

It depends on your deffintion of drinkable. I have on more then one occasion partook of beer in that age range, that was nonrefridgerated. It was indeed drinkable. But it tasted like crap. But of course it wasnt properly stored. I figure a cool spot like a good cellar and it might have done better. I figure as long as it isnt cloudy, then its probably still drinkable. May be drinkable if it is, but I dont think I want to try it.

[Banshee3e]

If you have a friend that has a baby, I would ask if they have any of the medium gerber jars that hold about 6 ounces. Then you can buy a bottle of cheap plastic bottle alcohol (I like seagrams 7, ron rico rum, and costco amsterdam gin so that's what I buy, but cheap everclear his potent and strong enough to use as a fire starter or antiseptic) and then seperate it into more tradeable sizes without having to pay for the little bottles.

[DaleGribble]

As mentioned Beer lasts the least, 6-12 months max, even if unopened and kept in a cool dark place.

Not true. Pasteurized beers (almost all of them) can stay drinkable for far longer than that.

It depends on your deffintion of drinkable. I have on more then one occasion partook of beer in that age range, that was nonrefridgerated. It was indeed drinkable. But it tasted like crap. But of course it wasnt properly stored. I figure a cool spot like a good cellar and it might have done better. I figure as long as it isnt cloudy, then its probably still drinkable. May be drinkable if it is, but I dont think I want to try it.

I couldnt tell an appreciable difference in 2 year old cans of bud light. In a PAW, I don't think anyone would LOL! Although beer, because of its low alcohol content wouldnt be worth as much IMO.

If you have a friend that has a baby, I would ask if they have any of the medium gerber jars that hold about 6 ounces. Then you can buy a bottle of cheap plastic bottle alcohol (I like seagrams 7, ron rico rum, and costco amsterdam gin so that's what I buy, but cheap everclear his potent and strong enough to use as a fire starter or antiseptic) and then seperate it into more tradeable sizes without having to pay for the little bottles.

I used to work at a state store, keep in mind, many of the airplane bottles can be cheaper per unit than bigger bottles, you just have to look for certain ones (usually newer products). Even keeping old minibottles and filling them from a bulk container would be a cheap idea. Thats what we did in college to sneak booze into the football stadium.

[JesterODX]

I couldnt tell an appreciable difference in 2 year old cans of bud light. In a PAW, I don't think anyone would LOL! Although beer, because of its low alcohol content wouldnt be worth as much IMO.

I live in a mobile home or Aluminum Condo as my sister called it, that gets extremely hot in the summer. Probably the reason for the degridation of my beer. Of course it may have been older then I thought. All I know was I was drunk, but not drunk enough ( I really was but didnt think so at the time) and looking for additional booze. I know, prepare ahead of time, right? The bad thing, I've done that more than once, and found full beer bottles more than once. I do think I have hunted them all up at this point.

[Pilsung]

Bae, thanks for posting the fantastic pictures. I won't say I'm not green with envy, but as someone who lives among mindless quasi-zombie suburbanites, it is heartwarming to see the set-up you have and appreciate the sentiments, imagination and hard work that went into creating it.

[ModernCombat!!]

If it does go bad, pour it on the zombies from the roof or second floor. and drop a match.

[raptor]

MC please check your PMs.

[Maverick299]

One thing to keep in mind if you are using it for trade value, the longer the PAW goes on, the more people will be distilling their own "moonshine". I would think the value of the booze would peak right after the grocery/liqour stores have been cleaned out and before the homemade stuff starts to make it to the "market". Just something to think about to insure you get the best price for your wares.

[The Jinxmedic]

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[JesterODX]

One thing to keep in mind if you are using it for trade value, the longer the PAW goes on, the more people will be distilling their own "moonshine". I would think the value of the booze would peak right after the grocery/liqour stores have been cleaned out and before the homemade stuff starts to make it to the "market". Just something to think about to insure you get the best price for your wares.

There is just one problem there that I havent figured out yet. Where to get the Yeast? It dont keep that long. In the event that we didnt have a return of the general store, Yeast may be a very rare commodity.

[duodecima]

One thing to keep in mind if you are using it for trade value, the longer the PAW goes on, the more people will be distilling their own "moonshine". I would think the value of the booze would peak right after the grocery/liqour stores have been cleaned out and before the homemade stuff starts to make it to the "market". Just something to think about to insure you get the best price for your wares.

There is just one problem there that I havent figured out yet. Where to get the Yeast? It dont keep that long. In the event that we didnt have a return of the general store, Yeast may be a very rare commodity.

I've been thinking of this too, in terms of making bread. I'm working with "friendship bread" starter now - basically starting my own yeast culture with dry yeast, then perpetuating it in a wet batter. (Jury is not yet in on how long I can make this last.) Would something like that work for alcohol? Keeping a "culture" barrel/bottle, or using one batch to inoculate the next batch? How'd the old time brewers and vintners do it?

[Maverick299]

I am not going to pretend to even have the slightest clue about brewing or making moonshine, but it has been done for thousands of years before the invention of mail order internet brewing supplies and even before the invention of the "general store". So there must be a way to cultivate your own yeast or perhaps a brewing process that does not involve it, e.g. the fermentation of fruits and grains.

[ZombieGranny]

Don't wash the plums first.
Unwashed fruit usually has yeast already on it.

Sourdough is also a way to trap wild yeasts.

[JesterODX]

Don't wash the plums first.
Unwashed fruit usually has yeast already on it.

Sourdough is also a way to trap wild yeasts.

Okay. I know stuff just sorta fermints on its own, so something has to be going on there...

My people were moonshiners and wine makers. But as long as they'd been doing it, yeast was easily available from a store. I need to get up with granny and talk to her about it. Only thing is her memory aint like it use to be. The meatloaf last Sunday dinner was no where near the same as it was five years ago, if you get my drift.


EDIT: Wikipedia says grapes are the same way and have natural yeast on the skins. So wine and Brandys are fairly easy to accomplish.

[Horatio_Tyllis]

I had a glass or two of rakija with the (deposed) Prince of Serbia that his father (the former King of Serbija) made for him when the Prince was born. He was 76 when he opened and we drank that bottle and it tasted G-R-E-A-T!!!!!

I am so jealous of this.

[Dooms]

I had a glass or two of rakija with the (deposed) Prince of Serbia that his father (the former King of Serbija) made for him when the Prince was born. He was 76 when he opened and we drank that bottle and it tasted G-R-E-A-T!!!!!

I am so jealous of this.

I've got another neat Serbian story for ya. My great-grandfather was Serbian, at the time living in Hungary. On June 28th, 1914 he happened to be in Sarajevo, Bosnia watching a motorcade go by. Well, if you know what happened shortly after that, then you would know that, Serbs were no longer very welcome in Austria-Hungary controlled countries. He rushed home, packed up his family, and found a way onto a ship bound for America. Ended up coming through Ellis island, settled in NJ, and got a job working for Singer sewing machines. He lived to be 95 and all his life would occasionally complain about how he almost died thanks to some jerk shooting some duke during a parade.

On a more related note, Deda (what we used to call him) would drink a shot of whiskey in the morning and a shot of whiskey before he went to bed. He did this until the day he died, again, at 95 years old.

[grennels]

Apple cider turns hard just fine without any help.

[ODA 226]

Apple cider turns hard just fine without any help.

Funy! I jus fund tht out when I drink apfel jucie that my landldymade for me 6 munths ago! REELY! KNOW SHIT!

[ODA 226]

Apple cider turns hard just fine without any help.

Funy! I jus fund tht out when I drink apfel jucie that my landldymade for me 6 munths ago! REELY! KNOW SHIT!

What ever you do, DON'T POST DRUNK!

[LBB]

Why don't you build a distillery?
I don't think there is a law that prevents you from owning it.
You only need to wait until there is no law to use it.

[ZombieGranny]

YMMV, but here is the State of Washington information... more on the link.
http://liq.wa.gov/enforcement/distillery-faq
Producing spirits as a hobby

I want to make small amounts of distilled spirits as a hobby. Is this legal?
No, it is illegal to produce distilled spirits without a license. It is also against the law to own a still.

If you wish to make small amounts of spirits, a craft distillery license allows you to produce 60,000 gallons or less a year with at least half of the raw materials used in the production grown in Washington. The license costs $100. Learn how to apply.

[raptor]

Why don't you build a distillery?
I don't think there is a law that prevents you from owning it.
You only need to wait until there is no law to use it.

LBB please note our rule against illegal activities. Discussion of such activities is proscribed.

[LBB]

Why don't you build a distillery?
I don't think there is a law that prevents you from owning it.
You only need to wait until there is no law to use it.

LBB please note our rule against illegal activities. Discussion of such activities is proscribed.

I looked it up, and you don't need a license in the State of Texas to own this equipment, as I said.
In case you want to use it, the TABC has different type of licenses to use it.

So I don't see any illegal activity here.

If you do, please point it out to me.