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 Post subject: Survival Tank
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:12 pm 
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I was watching a piece from the wall street journal on tanks. Apparently tank dealers estimate that there are 1000 or so private tank owners in the US. That has got to be the ultimate bug out vehicle... You could sleep real well at night knowing that NOTHING can get to you. Well unless you meet one of the other tank owners...


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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Well, that and the fact that you're not likely to get an Abrams M1, more likely a WWII model or a retired Soviet unit and they're extremely high maintenance vehicles. You also won't have any functional weapons on it but you'll still want a crew (because fixing a broken track on your own sucks moose balls). Oh, and they get about two gallons to the mile, so you better have a large fuel reserve somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:21 pm 
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Well, the fuel mileage, poor visibility, and total lack of stealth as an option aside, rememebr than many of those tanks are old as shit, and could be defeated by small arms.

Wrecking armor was part of my job. If I can take out a T54 without a specialized anti-armor rocket, I can take out a Sherman or one of the other armorcars. There's also the mobility issue, and the lack of a supply train. First time you break a part (or throw a tread) you're done. Tanks are a logistical nightmare.

Sorry to be a debbie downer, but outside conventional combat a tank makes less sense than a technical, and for bug-out purposes (the large majority of which will require working within the established systems of law and order, not running through fields and shit) a Subaru Forester or a similar fuel-efficient vehicle with a little extra space makes more sense.

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Was kind of joke. I think you would probably get stopped when you start destroying the road... Plus, the neighbors might get concerned....


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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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KJ4VOV wrote:
Well, that and the fact that you're not likely to get an Abrams M1, more likely a WWII model or a retired Soviet unit and they're extremely high maintenance vehicles. You also won't have any functional weapons on it but you'll still want a crew (because fixing a broken track on your own sucks moose balls). Oh, and they get about two gallons to the mile, so you better have a large fuel reserve somewhere.


Ironically, one of the GM XM1 Abrams prototypes is privately owned. The same guy (Littlefield) had a very large armor collection, including an M60 (maybe an M48) and a lot of other tanks. There are a few other armor collectors in the US with massive collections of more modern tanks, but, as you said, most are WWII reenactors with a few tanks at most.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:00 pm 
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You know what tankers call grunts? Crunchies.

You know what grunts call a lone tank without support? An oven. "Tiger in the Valley" demonstrates this quite nicely.

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There was a movie i think it was called TANK . James Garner was in the military as something. The local small town popo had it in for his son. So James fires up his private tank a Sherman i think and went all apeshit on the small local popo.It was a funny movie from the mid to late 80's.

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Wouldn't an armored personal carrier be a better choice? You could sleep pretty safe in one of those.

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Wouldn't an armored personal carrier be a better choice? You could sleep pretty safe in one of those.

All of the same eaknesses of a tank with none of the strengths. Slight gains in mobility at beast, but without support (trained infantry, a supply line, and ammo for the up-guns and a ell-trained crew) then you'd still just be a sitting duck.

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Sorry to be a debbie downer... less sense than a technical

I am going to be unable to sleep tonight. The thought of driving a technical through the ZPAW is the only thing that gets to sleep at night.

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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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Our EU friends have no trouble in picking up some used wheels - or tracks

http://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1

For the US citizen with money to burn
http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm

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charadeur wrote:
Wouldn't an armored personal carrier be a better choice? You could sleep pretty safe in one of those.


Here ya go... only $35k and it's all yours. :)

F432 Armored Personnel Carrier

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KJ4VOV wrote:
charadeur wrote:
Wouldn't an armored personal carrier be a better choice? You could sleep pretty safe in one of those.


Here ya go... only $35k and it's all yours. :)

F432 Armored Personnel Carrier


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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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Tracked vehicles rare very maintenance intensive.

If I wanted armor I would rather have one of these:

http://www.armormax.com/armored_mercedes_s550.html

BMW offers factory direct armor.
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/7 ... ntent.html

http://www.conquestvehicles.com/knight-xv.html

These cost about the same as a tank and at least can be driven every day.

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I think this is more practical than a tank...

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rvs/3634368319.html

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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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Another bug out vehicle option: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-Ford-E350-Van-Armored-Poptop-like-Sportsmobile-/261176712048?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccf585b70#ht_18778wt_1139


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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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feedthedog wrote:

Damn... It's on the wrong coast. :(

Hmmm... It's in California, but not for sale to residents of California?

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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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A tank with fuel but no ammo is a very low capacity APC.
A tank with ammo but no fuel is a mediocre artillery piece.
A tank with no fuel and no ammo is a 50 ton portable radio.

In the PAW, with no .gov support, you are likely to have a 50 ton portable radio on hand very very quickly. For the money a used, so-so tank will get you, you could easily uparmor a couple of SUVs and fit them with gun ports or mounted guns of some kind. Then you'd be able to keep it running longer, go farther, see better, cross tougher terrain and be a hell of a lot more unobtrusive.

It would be fun as hell to run around in the PAW with a Dead Reckoning equivalent though. Maybe when I'm God-Emperor of Scumfucktopia I can use one as a visible deterrant against the hordes of Cannibal Raider Futa Catgirl Bikers or something. But in that case I wouldn't have to move it very far or very often, just use it as a show of force-sort of a Gunboat Diplomacy kind of model.

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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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A tank with no fuel and no ammo is a 50 ton portable radio.


Without fuel I don't think it is portable....

Still if it had a nice area inside, it would be a decent place to hole up for the night. No fire, but security, dry, safety.


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ZombieKillingGeek wrote:
Was kind of joke. I think you would probably get stopped when you start destroying the road... Plus, the neighbors might get concerned....


There was a guy named John Dupont that lived a few miles from my home in the Philadelphia suburbs that had a Sherman tank. He was very rich since he was part heir of the Dupont chemical empire, buthe was also stone cold crazy. He would drive around his 400 acre estate, and drive around his neighborhood to visit neighbors. Eventually he became completely unhinged, and shot and killed David Shultz, who was an olympic wrestler who was training duPont at his estate.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

I believe it, there are plenty of rich people who can buy of tanks and street legal armored military vehicles.


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 Post subject: Re: Survival Tank
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A tank with no fuel and no ammo is a 50 ton portable radio.


Without fuel I don't think it is portable....

Still if it had a nice area inside, it would be a decent place to hole up for the night. No fire, but security, dry, safety.


Until the hostiles outside built a fire under it...

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Unless you're the army of a rich nation, tanks are an idiot-test....sometimes they are an idiot-test even if you are the army of a rich nation.

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Tanks are very impractical and totally not worth it. Doctorr pointed out the disadvantages very well. I build "assault vehicle" for paintball and airsoft. The same type of problems in the real world holds true for our make believe. Lack of visibility was the major killer on my nearly scale Bradley. Ran over a bunker. Luckily no one was in said bunker... Driving by episcopes is not as easy as you would think.

Trust me, your better off with a good 4x4 pick up truck. We can make up special rules to off set the fact that infantry support doesnt happen in paintball, but you dont get that luxury in real life. And then the cramped confines sucks for the few hours we are in them in play, I definitely wouldnt wont to be in them for any real duration.

Now I'm not saying I dont have planned a nice, heavily modified, Zombie Escape Vehicle.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094716/

Required watching when talking about tank ops.

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