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 Post subject: Canaries in EMS
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:36 pm 
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Random thought while working on the ambulance.

Canaries are no longer used in coal mines to detect gas, the canary dies when there is deadly gas present, alerting the miners. Since they are no longer using canaries in coal mines, I propose a new use for all the surplus birds. Canaries in cars. Thats right, every car gets a little cage on the dash with a canary. When the car is involved in a crash, it provides EMS providers with a new method of assessing the potential for injury. Instead of (MOI) Mechanism Of Injury, you now have ( COC ) Condition Of Canary. If the canary is dead, the pt gets the full packaging and transport to the ER. If the canary is alive, the pt is told to cowboy up and deal with it, as the live canary has alerted the paramedic to the presence of bullshit.

Sorry, was a long rainy shift, was having weird thoughts by hour ten. This was one of them. And you guys were the first people I thought of when I had it.

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:17 pm 
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There is a pretty common joke among hazmat responders and firefighters concerning the use of blue or brown canaries (cops or deputies) when it comes to hazmat response.

The standard rule of thumb is for the fire truck to stage 100 feet away for every cop or deputy you see lying on the ground around the hazmat incident. Four cops down? Stage 400 feet away. Five cops down? Stage 500 feet away, etc. The joke is that the LEOs always want to be heroes so they'll rush the scene to see if they can save the day...

I think the PETA folks would be pissed at your suggestion, though. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:29 pm 
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Use the copometer to identify what class of chemicals you are dealing with at a hazmat scene.

Cop down car on. Poisonous gas

Cop down car off. Oxygen displacing

Cop on fire car on fire. Explosive.'


Or how a cop knows how to stage for a hazmat scene.

Step out of your car. Grab powder doughnut. Look through hole. Whole scene in hole you are far enough. If the powder blows on your face your on the wrong side of the scene.

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:01 pm 
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AZ, those are definitely going into my all purpose "bust on cops" repetoire! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:22 pm 
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Oh yeah, the cop-o-meter is a classic, and Id follow it too!

Dont forget the rule of thumb though,

If you cant cover the entire scene in your vision with your thumb while holding it in front of you, you're too close!

And,

"if the driver is running, you need to be running, he knows what he's carrying'

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
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If there is a crash.
The bird is not really fasten to any thing.
Wouldn't it just slam up against the cage and probably die?

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
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CoTTer wrote:
If there is a crash.
The bird is not really fasten to any thing.
Wouldn't it just slam up against the cage and probably die?

Yep, that's the idea. If the crash was severe enough to slam the bird hard enough to kill it then you need to worry about packaging the patient. If the bird is sitting there looking at you in its cage and singing a little birdie tune then you tell the driver that you are not a taxi service and then get back in service for someone who really needs help.
It's a rant. it's not serious. The OP obviously had a crappy shift and dealt with a bunch of 911 system abusers before posting. I know the feeling well.

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 Post subject: Re: Canaries in EMS
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AZMedic wrote:
Use the copometer to identify what class of chemicals you are dealing with at a hazmat scene.

Cop down car on. Poisonous gas

Cop down car off. Oxygen displacing

Cop on fire car on fire. Explosive.'


Or how a cop knows how to stage for a hazmat scene.

Step out of your car. Grab powder doughnut. Look through hole. Whole scene in hole you are far enough. If the powder blows on your face your on the wrong side of the scene.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


My father told me they used a simmilar system in the army. It included a rating factor for the number of Sergeants down without a visible cause, and how many purple deer recruits were seeing in the woods. Depending on that, they may issue a CBRN alert.

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