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[/quote]Bunsen wrote: ----SNIP----I feel I should also comment on the video that's been discussed so much lately (from Future Weapons, right?). While it wasn't faked, they did cherry-pick devices that were exceptionally vulnerable in order to dramatize the effects. Most vehicles (90%, for a sample of cars from 1986-2002) can withstand nuclear EMPs without any material malfunction, let alone permanent failure. Read page 115 of http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2473 ... on-7MB.pdf for the numbers. Note that out of 55 cars and trucks tested, not one suffered damage if it wasn't running during the EMP, and most of them suffered only nuisance malfunctions if they were. Douchebag McLoudwhisper was sitting in a car that was very carefully chosen to produce the scariest possible effect. Also, he can't even pronounce "nuclear," so fuck him.
44Dave wrote:Didn't the EMP commission use a lower level of energy than we would generally see in an actual attack?
teotwaki wrote:You have already read all 208 pages of the 2008 report? I'm impressed. How did you stay awake? How about the classified reports? They might be really interesting!
teotwaki wrote:The much ballyhooed 2008 EMP Commission report can be misleading if you do not read it thoroughly (which I am trying to do but it is mind numbing!). Just like the video, you can easily misinterpret what is being presented. I'm guessing that you did not have time to read the reports and you Googled someone else's assessments (just like most of us would. LOL )
Actual 2004 report: http://www.empcommission.org/docs/empc_exec_rpt.pdf
Actual 2008 report: http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2473 ... on-7MB.pdf
If we are just cherrypicking things like page 115 of the 2008 report, the EMP "tests" employed pulse field strengths less than a quarter of what modern "super emp" weapons could hit us with. The comissions' published report was based on 1994 unclassified US Army data.
teotwaki wrote:Or how about the old cars the EMP Comission used? 1986 through 2002 models? Many 80's cars had "computers" that were really just closed loop analog servos. The mean age of vehicles has moved forward (about 10 yrs old now) and thus the infestation of the fully digital electronics in them has increased. No matter what, if only 5% of the nations cars go dead all at once, the traffic jams will make Los Angeles freeways look like the Indy 500. Heh... Deeper in that report and others can be found why Hawaii fared pretty well from the unintended Starfish prime damage: relatively short runs of power lines. Compared to the mainlands thousands of miles of transmission lines, the lines in Hawaii were much smaller "antennas" and coupled less EMP energy into that grid.
teotwaki wrote:Upshot is, is there a chance that China or North Korea will lob an EMP device over us? Sure is, even if small. Do we factor it into our communications plans? Sure, why not?
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