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Postby AwPhuch » Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:49 pm

Skippman wrote:
Gregoriev wrote:On my island, there are only two different prefixes (the three digit number before the four digit number in a telephone number), and I noticed a rather large...well, box in a neighbors yard on the main road. When I asked about it one day he said that its something the phone company uses, and not to mess with it.


Professional Phone Man chiming in.

That "Box" you're refering to, if it's about the size of say a large cabinet or wardrobe is called a Crossbox. It's where we connect your local phone wire to the main trunks that run back to the CO. Don't mess with it. There's quite a bit of voltage running through there. Some of the Hi-Caps like T-1's and T-3's can carry as much as 220V.



If Zombies or whatever overran the country phone service would stop in a matter of days. Period.

Despite what you may thing, todays telephone network is an extremely complicated piece of engineering mastery. Why there's never been a "Modern Marvels" special on it on the Discovery Channel I'll never figure out.

Basically all switching today is done electronically using advanced computer networks. People have a tendency to think VoIP is new technology. The phone companys been using basically the same thing for the last 20 years. The entire phone backbone network is comprised of digital switching technology. Much of which I'm forbidden to talk about due to various NDA's I've signed with my employer (AT&T/SBC Communications). But the gist of it is the backbone network is a spider web of Hi-Cap (High Capacity) fiber optic cable routed by digital/optical switching technology.

Even you LOCAL phone service is pure digital once it reaches the CO (central office). All the old Stroger Switch (think the click, click type CO's) were replaced with digital gear by companies like Lucent, Nortel Networks, and Juniper Networks. This was done to both decrease the amount of electricity needed to power them and to improve service by enabling remote maintenance of most of the equipment.

The phone company provides it's own electricity. Every phone line in the country that has dialtone is getting a constant 48v DC from the central office. When your phone rings, we up the voltate to what's called "ringing voltage". Our power is grid based unless an emergency arises. When an emergency arises each CO typically has enough battery power to last 24 hours, at which point our Backup-Backup power kicks in. Deisel generators. The generators fire long enough to recharge the batteries. This enables one generator to power a CO for about 3 days without being refueled. This is, of course, depending on facility size. A CO in downtown Chicago is going to require attention a lot faster than say a rural CO.

Needless to say, there's a lot of highly skilled labor and constant dedication to making your phone ring and to provide that reassuring dialtone when you pick up. I routinely work holidays and I work every weekend. We're there 24 hours, 365 days whether you realize it or not.

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Pretty much what he said

He sounds like a phone man!

Local interlata comms will work...stuff long distance or thru another co might not work

Almost ALL central offices have HUGE battery banks and generators that will keep them up for a few hours/days...the RT's only have a few hours

EMP wont affect land lines that much[they have lightening protection both at the central office and at the dmarc in the sni on the back of your house]..(EMP affects microcircuits the worst) so your high speed cordless phone goes to crap when the EMP fries its microcircuits..the plane jane 10lb black mechanical phone will work however

I know that even a smallish upset can immediately clog the ever loving crap out of the cell phone networks..the run from Rita here in Houston was a nightmare with all the bored teeny boppers staying on their cellphones for hours tying up the entire network!

Data lines will probably immediately suffer as the line repeaters/doublers will be fried (microcircuits remember) however the plane old telephone (POTS) lines should remain active...but who ya gonna call? All emergency services will be swamp almost INSTANTLY when the SHTF...if your call does make it thru don't expect anyone to come to your rescue for hours/days

If a Nuke/EMP ever goes off close enough to knock out electronics...the phone will be the LAST of your worries
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Postby thelight » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:06 pm

AwPhuch wrote:Pretty much what he said

He sounds like a phone man!

Local interlata comms will work...stuff long distance or thru another co might not work

Almost ALL central offices have HUGE battery banks and generators that will keep them up for a few hours/days...the RT's only have a few hours

EMP wont affect land lines that much[they have lightening protection both at the central office and at the dmarc in the sni on the back of your house]..(EMP affects microcircuits the worst) so your high speed cordless phone goes to crap when the EMP fries its microcircuits..the plane jane 10lb black mechanical phone will work however

I know that even a smallish upset can immediately clog the ever loving crap out of the cell phone networks..the run from Rita here in Houston was a nightmare with all the bored teeny boppers staying on their cellphones for hours tying up the entire network!

Data lines will probably immediately suffer as the line repeaters/doublers will be fried (microcircuits remember) however the plane old telephone (POTS) lines should remain active...but who ya gonna call? All emergency services will be swamp almost INSTANTLY when the SHTF...if your call does make it thru don't expect anyone to come to your rescue for hours/days

If a Nuke/EMP ever goes off close enough to knock out electronics...the phone will be the LAST of your worries


Actually, I wasn't thinking of this for long distance comms (for that I would use an HF radio), but rather for local community or compound communications. If you were in a subdivision or a mountain top community (my BOL's case) you could easily link multiple locations (farmsteads, observation posts, whatever) via a fiber network buried underground or run along existing polls (in a paw scenario only). Power consumption would be minimal and by using fiber you would avoid emp (provided you shielded the end devices). The benefits would be increased security and tactical awareness. You could also link such a system to the HF amateur packet network to share information with other survivors around the world (via BBs, Forum, and even email).

Just some thoughts. The idea came from a blog post on what some Rhodesian farmers did to protect themselves from roving gangs.
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Postby Red Panda » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:23 am

Wow, a thread I can actually contribute to!

It would be very easy to set up a small network in your immediate area. You'd just need to bridge the needed pairs at the common crossbox or remote. Then just use a 9V, as Skippman suggested.

The only problem is letting the intended recipient know to pick up their receiver.
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Postby crypto » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:24 pm

Skippman wrote: Why there's never been a "Modern Marvels" special on it on the Discovery Channel I'll never figure out.

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Postby rpc » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:36 pm

The only problem is letting the intended recipient know to pick up their receiver.


It's extremely simple to hook up telephones so that you can talk through them. The voltage requirement for most phones isn't particularly critical, so almost any battery will do the job.

As you point out, making the phone ring is much more difficult. It's not impossible, but it's probably beyond the capabilities of most people. And while you can hook up the phones with materials that are readily available (telephones, wire, battery), you would need some additional components to make them ring.

The easiest solution I can think of is to rig up a totally separate circuit using buzzers, doorbells, lights, or whatever is available. To connect multiple locations, you could have multiple doorbells or buzzers (all with the same voltage). If you want the person at station #3 to pick up the phone, you connect a battery and make all of the bells ring three times.

It's not particularly elegant, and it would require more wire, plus one battery for each person who wants to make calls. But it's probably the easiest way to do it, and it could be done with materials that are available in almost every home.
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Postby Red Panda » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:43 am

I really like your doorbell idea. You could just use the 2nd pair of whatever type of drop is going to the buildings.

How much voltage is needed to make the doorbell ring? Hmm, this is gonna take some investigating.
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