Zombie Squad

We make dead things deader
It is currently Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:13 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:37 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:08 am
Posts: 17
I have been trying to think of a way to set up a very simple home on a large lot of land that is in the sierra nevadas at about 4,000 feet., annual snow is about 36". My thought is to purchase a large prefabricated shed from home depot and modify it to withstand the winter conditions with a wood burning stove and loft sleeping arrangement. any info or links about similar solutions are greatly appreciated!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:26 pm 
Offline
* * * * *
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:01 pm
Posts: 6592
You might want to check local zoning codes and building ordinances first, CA has some odd laws that could affect what you are able to build.

I built this
Image

10 x 12 with wall height of 8 foot. I have a loft with almost 5 feet of space over the deck.

Image

I put this up over a long weekend with help from two other folks - and I screwed everything together.
A chopsaw, nailgun and knowing the kind of roof you want and you can get started. I made my own plans and it took very little effort. Framing in the commercial door was the biggest issue.
I built a second shed at my SIL place and we had a nailgun for that - took less than a day to have it framed and covered.

Since I put this up we've had record snowfall (for Alaska) and a huge, knock trees down windstorm and didn't loose a shingle.

Good luck, it can be fun to build your own.

_________________
TacAir - I'd rather be a disappointed pessimist than a horrified optimist
My books, some with a different view of the "PAW". Check 'em out.
Adventures in rice storage//Mod your Esbit for better stability


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:08 am
Posts: 17
insulation for comfort, and safety are my main concerns, years ago i saw someone use corrugated sheet metal spaced with carriage bolts to help radiate heat and keep the walls from catching on fire around the woodstove. Will most likely have a stone or tile floor(?) and use drop rugs around the rest of the living space.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:12 pm 
Offline
* * *

Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:30 pm
Posts: 340
Location: South County, St. Louis, MO
I've always thought some of those large sheds would make a nice little cabin... But you can build them cheaper yourself and they are easier to transport that way, lol.

_________________
"Watermelons, because they taste so much better than glass bottles when you shoot them with a machine gun"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:33 pm 
Offline
* * * * *

Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:16 pm
Posts: 7091
JFlagg wrote:
I've always thought some of those large sheds would make a nice little cabin... But you can build them cheaper yourself and they are easier to transport that way, lol.


Much cheaper to build yourself or maybe even hire a contractor to huild one. That is how our last shed got built while I was deployed. It was half the price of the same shed at HD

_________________
A really good leader will not guarantee success however; a really bad leader will ensure failure every time.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:52 pm 
Offline
* * *

Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:30 pm
Posts: 340
Location: South County, St. Louis, MO
Exactly... Some of the bigger ones are $5-6,000 and only really have $1500-2000 in material in them... Not to mention I can engineer it to fit what I want a little better. I could find 100's of plans online too if I actually needed them.

_________________
"Watermelons, because they taste so much better than glass bottles when you shoot them with a machine gun"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:18 pm 
Offline
ZS Member
ZS Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:25 am
Posts: 3591
Location: Jackson, KY
housebrew wrote:
insulation for comfort, and safety are my main concerns, years ago i saw someone use corrugated sheet metal spaced with carriage bolts to help radiate heat and keep the walls from catching on fire around the woodstove. Will most likely have a stone or tile floor(?) and use drop rugs around the rest of the living space.


You can insulate the shed with standard construction insulation (the pink stuff that comes pre-cut in 8ft lenghts for 16" center studs). Hang that stuff inside the shed and sheet-rock the interior. Add a proper flue and get a hearth pad sized for your stove. Make sure you've got enough space between the stove and the wall and you shouldn't have any problems with fire hazards.

Since you want to put a loft in it (you can buy those sheds pre-lofted, BTW), you'll have to take that into account when you install the flue.

_________________
vyadmirer wrote:
Call me the paranoid type, but remember I'm on a post apocalyptic website prepared for zombies.

Fleet #: ZS 0180

Browncoat

Imma Fudd, and proud of it.

ZS Wiki


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:13 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:08 am
Posts: 17
thanks everyone, will look into cost vs convenience. I really like the idea of being able to have more control of the design and floorplan.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:39 pm 
Offline
ZS Donor
ZS Donor
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:28 am
Posts: 2200
CA does have weird zoning laws. We lived out in BFE, only falling under county, not city limits. We had to build two lean-to's for our horses, because one would have been too large and require permits and inspections. These are simple 3 sided buildings that aren't designed as any sort of residence, but they still fell under the zoning laws. The idea itself is pretty solid though.

Check out http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/. That will give you a lot of ideas on how comfortable you can make such a small floor plan.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:08 am
Posts: 17
where i want to build my shed is really remote and full of timber, it will go unnoticed. i think a pre fab will be a great start, then modify slowly. have no intent on making look like a home, simple and discreet though the future addition of a small array of solar panels is going to be hard to hide from the sky. working on it......


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:10 pm 
Offline
ZS Member
ZS Member

Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:57 am
Posts: 40
Location: Bringing a little Jersey to Georgia.
My grandfather-in-law purchased a prefab wooden shed kit which was roughly 12x20 or 12x16 and basically built a bunkhouse of of it. Ran electric/insulation along the walls, threw up some sheet rock and paint and added some carpets/ceiling fans and we always had a clean/dry place to stay. The only issues he ran into was with the propane heater he attached to the wall for the winter months, it required a few additional vents to avoid carbon monoxide build up. Otherwise it was a great space to sleep in, there was always a double bed in there and you could easily add two single cots when needed. While he did put in a camp sink, there were no formal facilities, however it was only a walk across the driveway to the main house for those.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:46 pm 
Offline
* * * * *
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:10 am
Posts: 1374
Sewage, water, road access? How is the area zoned for use? Are there other small cabins in the area, large mansions or does there seem to be a strange absence of construction (prohibition?)?
I think legal sewage, water and access will be your biggest legal obstacles. I seriously doubt you will be able to build without getting noticed and tagged for illegal construction. CA is very strict about this.
This is why many people just build a pad for a camper (or Yurt) and tow it away during the off season. It avoids most of the legal issues and logistical headaches. The neighbors and inspectors are placated this is not going to be some hovel with a sewage issue that becomes a long term problem.

_________________
"Victory awaits him who has everything in order, luck people call it. Defeat is certain for him who has neglected to take the necessary precautions in time; this is called bad luck"- The South Pole, Roald Amundsen - 1912


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:42 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:16 am
Posts: 1
Location: Houston, TX
Your idea is really good. Instead of venturing in making a cement base home wood one feels a little more homely and related to environment. I was just thinking of insects rodents and other such stuff will not spoil the wood. So special care have to be taken in that way.

_________________
shaggy rugs


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:06 am 
Offline
ZS Donor
ZS Donor
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:35 am
Posts: 2986
Location: San Diego, CA
Just a thought... 20 foot Conex? Way more tweeker-proof when you are not there... Be careful of code enforcement though. They are a PITA...

_________________
shrapnel wrote:
Dawgboy, please refrain from stirring shit for the sole purpose of stirring shit.


[ZS/]# .40/Pie/CERT/Wireless...
My homebrew stove kit
IMPROVED Solar Redneck Hot tub
Dawgvan
Chupa Chihuahua
GHB


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:35 am 
Offline
ZS Member
ZS Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:17 am
Posts: 104
Location: Wyoming
I live in a modified garage kit from Sutherlands lumber.
Been living in it full time for over a year and a half, since my last marital mistake :clap: .
Its 12x20, and I left the end bay door as a solid wall. Insulated the Hel out of it and installed a thru the wall chimney from Simpson. I took the wood cook stove out when I had a residential propane tank delivered.
All appliances (full sized) are propane. Fridge, range/oven & wall heater.
I put real house doors & thermal windows in. Its quite comfy.
Its never dropped below 40F indoors with only the pilot lights on! But... in the summer you can cook a meal & have to sleep outside.
I've used 45% of a 500 gal propane tank in the past year.
Enjoy your project.
(edited, for grammar)

_________________
Why survive with a knife, when you can thrive with an axe?
wy7ac


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:33 am 
Offline
* * *
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:52 pm
Posts: 338
Location: Hutto, TX
Unnoticed is hard in the Google Earth era...

_________________
"And I prep not because I'm scared of someone coming to take from me, but rather because I fear not being able to render help to those who have helped me. "

phractal - 4/2/13


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:43 pm 
Offline
* *
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:54 am
Posts: 146
Location: Lompoc, Ca
What about building a car port that can handle the weight of snow and a camper or RV? I can find Halfway decent campers on craigslets for 4-6 grand. It's go everything you need in a small house and can run everything off propane. You could proably run everything off a battery bank/solar if you got that set up. That MAY be a way of getting around some building codes/laws by making it a camp site. Every once and a while you have to move it to get rid of the sewage so that may alleviate a "permanent" redisidence problem. But this is all just conjecture and guessing, I don't know any of the local laws where you're planning on building. That would be the first thing I would check out.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:57 pm 
Offline
* *
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:14 pm
Posts: 166
Location: little box made of ticky tacky
Or a yurt. On a budget, cut some corners.

_________________
My scapegoat ate my homework.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:15 am 
Offline
* *

Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:24 am
Posts: 268
Location: Eaton Rapids, Michigan
I am doing something similar for my Off The Grid Home life goal. Here's a list of a few things I was looking at getting for it. But one thing I recommend is you get a place with a loft space and make sure to make that one extra floor by adding boards to cover any hole or gap. Also if you want to be smart, replace all windows with 3 pane windows. Here's a list of stuff I have on the side so I know what to buy.
________________
$7,895.00 The Shed + Installation
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Best-Barns-A ... kz9zxD_Dis

$2,499.00 For Windturbine
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Nature-Power ... kz9TBD_Dis

$2,000.00 Extra Odds and Ends

$439.00 Cast Iron Wood Stove
http://www.homedepot.com/p/US-Stove-Log ... kz--RD_Dit

$699.00 Green House
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Palram-8-ft- ... kz_PhD_Dis

$2,897.00 Solar Panels
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Grape-Solar- ... kz_sBD_Dis

$218.00 Wood Shed
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Arrow-Newpor ... k0AMxD_Dis

$38.99 Indoor Wood Storage
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Suncast-Stor ... k0AYBD_Dis

$458.00 Compost Bin
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sun-Mar-100- ... k0CGBD_Dis

$2,399.99 Underground Water Tanks
http://www.tank-depot.com/productdetail ... rt=N-42559
______________

Some things I don't have that could be useful is a ram pump, more storage, and other things that could be useful.

_________________
Tell me I can't do it and watch as I prove you wrong.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:10 pm 
Offline
* * * * *
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:15 am
Posts: 2043
Location: Trapped inside my head (&NJ)
Zoombee wrote:
Or a yurt. On a budget, cut some corners.


Fortress Yurt A yurt with wood walls and real windows
http://www.spiritmountainyurts.com/fortress.htm
Image
Standard Fortress Prices:

16 ft (200 square feet) ($5,930.00)

20 ft (315 square feet) ($6,920.00)

24 ft (450 square feet) ($7,820.00)

30 ft (710 square feet) ($9,980.00)

Standard Yurts from Spirit Mountain Yurts
http://www.spiritmountainyurts.com/priceinfo.htm

16 ft (200 square feet) $3,860.00

20 ft (315 square feet) $4,850.00

24 ft (450 square feet) $5,930.00

30 ft (710 square feet) $6,920.00

There are plenty of good deals on shed/cabins out there. If you hunt around you can find some stuff like this $99 down no credit check
Buy A Tiny House for $100 Down


There are of course other designs out there, some much bigger with 2nd stories. Of course you could easily build rather than buy premade ones which would cut the hassle of getting it to the property and could cut the costs.

_________________
"Once a man has seen society's black underbelly, he can never turn his back on it. Never pretend, like you do, that it doesn't exist"

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with ME!"


ZS Wiki ZS Acronyms


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:32 pm 
Offline
ZS Donor
ZS Donor
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 12, 2010 10:06 am
Posts: 5293
Location: Maine
ineffableone wrote:
Image


That interior is just gorgeous. Proof positive that living frugally/simply doesn't always mean you have to live a tiny, cramped hovel.

_________________
The Restless Dead http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=80397

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:37 pm 
Offline
* * * * *

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:50 am
Posts: 1405
Location: Licking County, Ohio
majorhavoc wrote:
Proof positive that living frugally/simply doesn't always mean you have to live a tiny, cramped hovel.

Given what I've been forced to learn lately about doing that kind of an interior, I can guarantee you that "frugally" does not enter into it :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:52 am 
Offline
* *
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:24 pm
Posts: 118
Location: TN / KY Border
I had a similar thought, the shed in my back yard would be perfect for out on the property as a place to crash (not as a permanent residence) with a wood stove for winter and window mounted A/C + Generator in summer...

But codes and laws and permits... I know there are some (though I haven't a _clue_ where to start), and it's certainly frustrating. I know they exist for good reason, but knowing you can't just go on your property and build a little cabin to crash in for a weekend without being a damn lawyer...


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 23 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group