BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING & BIG GAME

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BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING & BIG GAME

Postby GrizzWolf » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:45 pm

BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR KILLING ZOMBIES AND BIG GAME

I have been asked by one of the forum members to outline the basics for buying / shooting / hunting Zombies and big game with a crossbow, also known here as an "xbow." First, choose a good, solid crossbow from a reputable manufacturer. This is no place to skimp. The last thing you want when you need that Zombie DEAD or you have that once in a lifetime buck in your sites is for your cheapie crossbow to fail. You can buy a conventional, limbs front bow or one of the newest wave of reverse limb bows, otherwise known as RDT bows. You can read my previous post about RDT bows to help guide you in that decision. No matter which type of bow you choose, stay with one of the proven manufacturers. As stated in my previous post I am partial to Horton Crossbows as I have owned and hunted with them for over 36 years. I feel they give you the best bow for your buck. There are probably about 6 other crossbow manufacturers out there that crank out good bows. Just stay away from no name bows, very cheap bows (under $300.00) and bows being turned out by "new" manufacturers as their products are unproven and you don't want to be their guinea pig.

WHAT SIZE (POUNDAGE) crossbow do you need for your purposes? For hunting big game, a minimum of 150 lb. pull is what I would recommend. I prefer 165 lbs.or more. At some point it all gets kind of complicated because some lower poundage xbows can actually shoot arrows faster than their bigger, heavier brothers, so if arrow speed is important to you then do that research on the specific bow you want before you buy it. Generally, I have found that any xbow shooting accurately at speeds over 300 fps ( feet per second) will drop big game humanely. Bows rated at less than 150 can shoot fast, especially some high end RDT bows, but if a bow is only 125 pounds and shoots at speeds well under 300 fps I would avoid them for big game hunting. They will work fine on a whitetail-sized animal out to about 25-30 yards, but I wouldn’t shoot a buffalo with one at 40 yards. You could probably still easily kill Zombies with an xbow in that poundage range, as you will often be close enough to do a head shot on an already dead being, who is in decay and not a big, live, breathing mammal like a deer. The arrows from slower / lighter xbows fall off too fast and are not powerful enough to humanely kill big game at lengthy, ethical hunting distances. The advantage to buying a lower poundage xbow just for close-up killing of zombies is that you can cock some of them by hand, without any cocking aid, thus your reload times are quicker.

Speaking of cocking aids, make sure your new xbow includes one of the following: cocking rope, cocking sled or other cocking aid. If not you will need to purchase one. You do NOT want to cock a 150 lb. or higher poundage crossbow with your hands. It is possible, but not recommended, especially for repetitive shooting. Trust me. And the RDT xbows are almost impossible to cock by hand due to their severe string angle. On conventional style crossbows, if you do cock it by hand, it is a good idea to mark your string on both side of the rail with a sharpie to ensure straight cocking.

BUY SOME ARROWS: Some folks want to call xbow arrows 'bolts.' This is a holdover / misconception from days past. Today the general consensus is that if it has fletching or feathers on it then it's an ARROW, if it has none it is a bolt. If you buy a complete xbow "package," you will commonly get the bow, scope, quiver, cocking device or rope and usually 3 - 6 arrows. Usually these arrows will not be enough for your needs, so buy at least 6 more to have on hand. Also, some xbow makers include cheaper arrows in their package deals and you might not want to hunt Zombies or big game with those, use them as emergency spares, de-cocking arrows or target practice. Most good xbow makers sell arrows tuned to a particular model of xbow they sell. Do the research and when you know for sure what the manufacturer recommends for your bow, buy those arrows. Don't try to cut corners here. Many good, modern xbows are fully capable of 2 inch groups or WAY better at 30 - 40 yards PROVIDING you use the proper arrow / field tip / broadhead weight combinations and you cock the string STRAIGHT BACK. I use carbon arrows, they seem more stable and durable to me than aluminum.

BUY A SLING if one is not included with your crossbow. You are going to want it.

OBTAIN A TARGET. My advice; if you are going to be a SERIOUS xbow shooter buy a target rated for 400 fps arrows. The last thing you want is for your arrows to fly THROUGH the target, tearing your fletching off. HINT, bag type targets are more effective if hanging from a frame or tree limb. They can absorb higher poundage hits than if they are setting on the ground, etc. There are a zillion xbow targets out there, you will just need to do the research. I currently use a target called the "Blob" and am very happy with it, however, it weighs 75 lbs and you must use an arrow release agent on the arrows.

I am going to lay the rest of this article out using Horton Crossbows as my main reference example because I currently own three different Horton models and they are the ones I am most familiar with. However, the basics are all the same with most xbows, so the principles should apply across the board. If you buy a crossbow that has some special or different features just be sure to factor those concepts into your care and use of that xbow.

WHERE TO BUY A CROSSBOW: You can buy a good crossbow at a local archery shop, from a big box hunting chain, online, and sometimes at stores like Wally World. What I usually do is go to a local store and check out the xbow in question so I can hold it, feel how it's balanced, etc. Then I go home and do an extensive internet search for that xbow. You can often save a substantial amount of money buying from an online source. Just make sure it is a reputable biz before you buy from them and understand that if you do buy from an online source and it is defective, you will probably not be able to return it to that seller so you will be dealing directly with the manufacturer for your warranty repairs. Again, that's why it's important to buy from a reputable xbow maker with a good reputation for Customer Service. MAKE SURE you register your new xbow for it's warranty as soon as you get it out of the box. Follow the manufacturer's instructions and keep proof of purchase and proof of warranty registration in a safe place. These xbows are complex, under a ton of stress when cocked and can be very expensive to repair, so you may need that warranty at some future point.

NEXT: READ your xbow owner's manual BEFORE you do ANYTHING else. It will include vital information, which if not followed could result in catastrophic xbow failure or human injury. There are things your manufacturer needs you to know to PROPERLY operate their equipment.

OK, on to pre-firing xbow prep: first thing to do is any assembly required. Then wax your string. Buy some good bowstring wax and wax the string MAKING SURE to keep ALL WAX off of the center serving, or middle of the string. Leave about a 2 inch area in the center of the string unwaxed. If you wax the center serving it can actually push wax into the safety / trigger mechanism over time and gum things up. I usually stop waxing my string in the center and anywhere the string contacts the "barrel." I wax from that point out on both sides. Rub the wax onto the string and then hold the string between your thumb and index finger, slide your fingers along the string back and forth to melt the wax into the string fibers. Your goal is to keep the myriad smaller strings "glued" to each other with the wax. I also wax my xbow cables if they are made of string material. IF YOU DO NOT WAX YOUR STRING YOU WILL EVENTUALLY RUIN IT AND POSSIBLY EXPERIENCE PREMATURE WEAR WHICH CAN LEAD TO STRING BREAKAGE CAUSING CATASTROPHIC XBOW FAILURE AND POSSIBLE EXTREME HUMAN DAMAGE. Don't BECOME a Zombie that way! Keep an eye on your string, inspect it EVERY time you plan on shooting your bow. If you have excessive fraying of the string or notice any of the servings coming undone contact your manufacturer immediately. Do not shoot the bow in that condition. Some xbow makers recommend you change your string every two years whether you shoot it a lot or not. Check the owner’s manual.

NEXT: Mount your optics. Cheaper xbows come with a pin-type site, better ones come with scopes or red dot scopes. Regular optic / scope type sights are more reliable than a red dot type site. For low light conditions you can buy a lighted reticle scope which means you can turn the knob on the top and light your up your crosshairs in red or green. However, if that battery were to die, you would still have a functioning optic with normal black lines. If a red dot dies and you don’t have a replacement battery, you are out of luck, no deer, possible Zombie food..

NEXT: Apply RAIL LUBE to the rail or "barrel" of your xbow. Failure to follow your manufacturer's directions in this area WILL cause string damage, possibly melting and ruining your string's center serving. Most crossbow strings cost any where from $20.00 to $50.00 with some custom strings costing nearly $70.00, so don't go there. Most xbow makers recommend using rail lube every 10 - 20 shots. I recommend applying when there is any hint of the rail becoming dry. This is a MUST.

NEXT: Mount your quiver. Become familiar with it's operation.

NEXT: Mount your sling. I HIGHLY recommend you use quick release swivels.

NEXT: This is where I would put a few drops of lube on the cams. I use RemOil but whatever your favorite lube is would probably work. I like stuff with Teflon in it, avoid stuff with solvents in it. If I have been hunting in the rain and my xbow is soaked I will spray the cams and other metal parts down with WD-40 as I believe it will displace the moisture out of the cam bearings, etc. Then, before the next outing I will wipe off all the WD I can and put a drop of RemOil, etc., on the cam bearings, etc.

NEXT: Whew! You should now be ready to shoot / site in your xbow. Go to your shooting area and preferably shoot your bow from a rest. I start out at about 15 yards. I use a picnic table and a rolled up piece of carpeting, etc., to rest my front hand on. You can also use a typical gun rest similar to a “lead sled,’ any set up that will allow you a solid place to sit and a solid rest for your shooting arm.You will site in the xbow just like a rifle. MAKE SURE YOU COCK YOUR BOW ACCORDING TO MANUFACTURER'S INSTRUCTIONS AND... KEEP YOUR THUMB AND FINGERS BELOW THE PATH OF THE STRING AT ALL TIMES. Guys HAVE lost thumbs and fingers shooting crossbows. Seriously. AND WEAR SAFETY GLASSES in case of an arrow or other malfunction. Make sure all living beings and loved ones are BEHIND YOU during this process. Resting your front hand on the carpet or whatever, take one initial shot at your target. Then adjust your optics from there. MY ADVICE: take one shot then go and remove that arrow before you shoot again. I have personally sighted in two Horton Vision 175s (RDT bows) that were so accurate right out of the box that the second arrow HIT THE FIRST ARROW and destroyed it. At $4.00 to $10.00 per arrow you don't want to do that! So, you took a shot. If the arrow was two inches left of center then click your scope, etc., the recommended (on the scope) amount of clicks to the right. If it is high, click it down, if low, clicks up. Take another shot and repeat the process until zeroed in. Then move back to 30 yards and see where you are with a few more shots and adjust accordingly.

There are varying opinions as to how far out you want to ETHICALLY shoot at a big game animal with a crossbow. Here in heavily wooded northwest Indiana most of my shots at deer with a xbow are 30 yards or less. In my experience with crossbows you should NEVER shoot beyond 40 yards at a living critter. There are just too many variables at those distances and you want to ETHICALLY and HUMANELY kill your quarry to minimize suffering, etc. I have been told by the bowtechs at Horton that my Horton Recon 175 is capable of accurate shots out to 90 yards but I still won't shoot at a deer past 40 with it. In my opinion, the arrow just loses too much energy, etc., that far out. I also use folding mechanical broadheads for hunting because I feel they are inherently more accurate because they "plane" less than broadheads with their big metal heads / surface area. Make sure the field tips you practice with are the same weight as the broadheads you will hunt with. For example, I shoot 100 grain field tips for practicing and my broadheads are also 100 grains.

When I get to my stand, whether it is a tree stand or ground blind, etc., I take off my quiver and sling. You don't need them in the way and making noise when you go to shoot. If I am in a tree stand I will hang my quiver and cocking device on a hook or limb so they are readily available. The really nice thing I have noticed about the RDT xbows is that they set in or on my tree stand much better than my old "limbs front" xbows. The "limbs front" bows are front heavy and always trying to fall forwards out of your hands or off the tree stand. The RDT bows, because of their center of balance, etc., are far more stable in the stand. I use 22' metal ladder stands with shooting rails and my RDT bows sort of "lock" right in on top of the shooting rails.

As always, NEVER climb a ladder or tree stand with a loaded crossbow. Take the arrow off the barrel and put it in the quiver. Use a string and pull the bow up after you get to the top. NEVER WEAR A LOADED CROSSBOW SLUNG ACROSS YOUR BACK. Last year a hunter managed to kill himself doing that. NEVER put a loaded crossbow in a vehicle or on an ATV. NEVER CLIMB A FENCE WITH A LOADED CROSSBOW. NEVER DRY FIRE ANY BOW, ESPECIALLY A CROSSBOW. THE STRING WILL BREAK AND THE BOW WILL BLOW APART CAUSING SEVERE BOW DAMAGE AND POSSIBLE CATASTROPHIC / TERMINAL HARM TO NEARBY HUMANS... ESPECIALLY YOU. Always, always make sure your arrow is AGAINST the bowstring before you pull that trigger or it can result in a mock dry fire situation, again with the results mentioned above. And at the end of the day, when hunting is done, you need to "de-cock" your crossbow. As a rule, NEVER try to decock your crossbow with your bare hands or the cocking device. Instead use an old arrow and either fire it safely into the ground or into a target or "de-cocking bag," which can be purchased for around $20.00.

FINALLY, everything outlined above is my personal opinion / learned experience based on over 36 successful YEARS of crossbow care/ shooting and hunting. I am sure there are many other divergent opinions on these subjects and I would encourage you to give them the proper consideration due to them. And for your hardcore Zombie fans, the bow Daryl carries in “The Walking Dead” is a Horton Scout lightly painted over with black paint. Horton is also now offering a special, limited edition Zombie RIP crossbow on their home page! Prepare for the coming Zombie apocalypse NOW!!

So there you have it, a Beginner's Guide To Crossbows For Zombie Killing And Big Game. If anyone has further questions feel free to ask.- Property of GrizzWolf

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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby northernxposure » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:12 pm

Minor note/edition to the above outstanding post - if using a bolt to decock the crossbow, make sure it's Aluminum (not a carbon arrow) and has a field point (not broadhead) on it. On the off chance that you happen to shoot the carbon arrow into the ground and it smacks something hard - rock or something - it can cause micro damage to the shaft that you may not notice until you fire it again and it goes kaboom, possibly damaging the xbow and you. Aluminum bolts will bend, not shatter. It's also much easier to realize that the odd bolt out is the one you always use to decock the xbow.

Carry on with outstanding post.

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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:32 pm

Absolutely right!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby zenger » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:02 pm

Very informative ty

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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby proteus » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:29 pm

Great info for new xbow owners! Thanks!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:02 pm

Any time!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS ,ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG GAM

Postby Stonedog » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:05 am

Nice post!

I am currently making a traditional crossbow with parts from: http://www.alcheminc.com/

I bought the 170# prod. The tiller is designed thus: http://www.alcheminc.com/bowbuck.jpg

Just a traditionalist I guess. I used to shoot a longbow for hunting, but with being a husband, daddy and teaching, I just do not have the time to stay proficient with a longbow. So I am going to a traditional crossbow and still shoot wood bolts....

I just am not keen on guns for hunting anymore....besides...a gun will draw zombies from miles around and gives away your position! A crossbow.....quiet....perfect for hunting and doesn't use your precious ammo for when two legged creatures (dead or alive) threaten!

Also, a traditional crossbow is not picky with spine....and bolts are relatively simple to make...
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:00 am

I used to be a traditionalist / survivalist... started hunting when I was 10 years old... back in the early 70s all you could get around here were wooden or fiberglass longbows. The glass ones were pretty crummy... Several years of that then I transitioned to Fred Bear's first compound bow to hit the market... I believe it was called the WhiteTail Hunter, a simple two wheel bow but a vast improvement in bow technology as far as I was concerned. Then I learned to make native bows and atl- atls... had a lot of fun with those... then I got hurt on a construction site due to sheer negligence by one of the company owners and my ability to draw a bow back and hold it for more than a few seconds ended. Thus my transition to crossbows. I have watched crossbows evolve over the years from simple wooden stocked things with steel recurve limbs to the utterly amazing pieces of modern weaponry they are now. There is absolutely nothing wrong with building your own crossbow just as there is nothing wrong with buying a production bow. There are a lot of traditionalists who despise modern crossbow use for hunting, which I do not understand. In my eyes anything you can do to give hunters an edge that will allow the SWIFT AND HUMANE taking of a game animal is a bonus to me. I would much rather take an "iffy" archer and put a rock solid crossbow with a scope on it in front of a deer rather than have him wound one with a compound bow he could not master. At some point it's about the quarry and not our human egos or emotion. I have, far too many times, found a dead deer in the woods, dead from a poorly placed arrow and left to run off and die. I WANT guys who feel the need to hunt archery season to buy a good crossbow and become proficient with it if they can't truly master a compound or other bow. One inch accuracy at 40 yards is WAY better than paper plate sized groups at 20 yards... speaking from experience, making your own equipment is fun and rewarding... but so is taking to the woods with a crossbow that can literally hit a Mentos at 40 yards... (check youtube, couple guys doing it with Horton Vision 175s).
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby Stonedog » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:37 am

I couldn't agree more! Why sneer at any humane hunting device? I have never understood the modern crossbow hating myself.

I might add...even though I am going traditional with my crossbow...will still have a peep and adjustable front sights in order to really tune it in tight!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby ninja-elbow » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:44 am

Great thread Grizz. Timely too as I was going to make a thread about crossbow basics as I wanted to learn and am pretty ignorant of crossbow stuff. I have some questions:

1) I want to add the "AK" of crossbows to my collection. It's job? Shoot well as long as I do my part (take it out 5-6 times a year and shoot it), be reliable and not much maintenance fuss, be there if I ever need it for some small game (rabbits to coyotes or even a small deer) or self defense (zombies, mohawks and chaps raiders),... and ... ??

I see it like a fighting carbine - I'm no soldier so don't need a professional soldier's fighting carbine. I'm probably never going to get into a rifle fight, and if one happens my job is to get out of it as soon as possible. My fighting carbie is bare-bones:
rifle
sling
white light
iron sights
lots of ammo and mags
simple, lo-pro chest rig to back it up (mags, maintenance)

I want a crossbow version of that. Hell, I want a crossbow version of my 30-30. :) You get what I'm mumbling on about? I'll probably never go crossbow hunting but if I do I want something that will fill that role.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:28 pm

Ninja... no crossbow that I know of will take overt abuse, you have to make sure you take reasonable care to not accidentally cut the string or ding up the cams. You could consider a recurve crossbow that lacks cams but I have heard lots of stories about the tips breaking on the recurve xbows. Being totally honest with you, the absolute best crossbow I have EVER owned, and the most accurate is the Horton Vision 175. Now, there are a few caveats; the Vision 175 was discontinued last year in favor of an "updated" model Horton calls the "Havoc." The Havoc is not available yet and there is no proof that it will be any better overall than the Vision when it is available. Good news is that there are still plenty of new in the box Vision 175 packages floating around out there. I know three guys who recently got them on the web for $519.00 shipped, no tax. That is the same xbow PACKAGE the big national sporting goods chains were selling last fall for $899.00 plus state taxes. In the package you get lighted reticle scope, cocking sled, quiver, 3 arrows, rail lube, etc. This xbow has a lifetime warranty and is ROCK SOLID. Yeah, you could go with a "limbs forward" conventional crossbow, and there are tons of them out there and the guys who own them love them but a whole lot of them require a bow press to change the string, the Vision 175 comes with a slave string and the attachments right on the cables to allow you to change the string in the field. The limbs on this xbow are thick and sturdy and the stock is beefy, yet the bow is light and SO well balanced. It is quieter than any conventional now I have ever shot or owned and is so accurate it borders on the unbelievable. If it was ME and I could own any xbow currently on the market as my MAIN archery workhorse for killing game large or small it would be the Vision 175. If you want something more durable or solid then you'd need to look at the Horton Recon, which is the Vision 175's big brother. It is a little heavier but tricked out with picatinny rails, tactical folding front Recon 175 grip, folding MagPul rear stock, etc., basically a "militarized" version of the Vision 175. I think you could run one over with a Jeep and it would still work. The Recon 175 has also been discontinued for a few years now but good used ones are out there and Horton also made a limited edition run of BRAND NEW ONES this spring. They are $999.00 for the scope package. Originally the Recon 175 sold for around $1600.00, so if you can get one for under a grand or so... great deal. Or if you are looking for a good used xbow feel free to pm or email me for some some suggestions. I honestly believe you could buy the Vision 175 package, buy 2 extra boxes of arrows, a spare string and once you mounted the optics and sited it in at 30 - 40 yards you could hang it on the wall and use it once a year or 100 times a year with no issues. And the thing about getting a tack driver xbow versus any other xbow is you will spend a lot less on arrows... the accuracy gain means you hit your target first time and can often re-use that arrow. The compactness of the bow also means easy storage and carrying. If you have other questions I can help with feel free to ask. Oh, and if any of you want to see the Vision 175 in a sort of "real world" situation go to youtube and look up the trailer for a new NBC show this fall called "Revolution." There are some shots of people carrying what I'm sure is a painted over Vision 175 with it's foot stirrup and scope removed, much like could happen in a bug - out post apocalyptic world... there are a couple of different trailers for the show and one of them has more shots of the xbow than others.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby ninja-elbow » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:36 pm

Oh wow! The Vision 175 has a backwards bow? Never thought of that but it's genius.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:11 pm

Yep... it's the wave of the future... I have been watching these reverse limb technology bows evolve since about 2006-2007 maybe when an overseas inventor made the predecessor of the Vision and other RDT bows called the Armcross Leo Pro. I was hoping someone here in the states would make one because importing the Leo Pro model was cost prohibitive. Then, within a year or two Horton and Scorpyd started offering them here. I will NEVER own a conventional crossbow again.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby plainsman » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:10 pm

GrizzWolf, thanks for the tutorial. Very educational!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby Treetop » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:39 pm

GrizzWolf, I've been teetering on the edge re: crossbow hunting, ever since Texas legalized them for taking game animals several years ago.

Your excellent post, along with a timely catalog from Natchez Shooters Supply have combined to push me over the edge! Right after I read your post, my Natchez monthly catalog came in the mail and I saw the Horton Vision crossbow package for $549. When I logged on to their website to buy one, the price was $499! I also bought the wax and lube, the decocking arrow and the easy loader cocking rope. Total was $566 with shipping.

Now I'm looking forward to adding a month to my hunting season! Tt.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:49 am

Treestop... welcome to the absolutely fascinating world of RDT crossbows!! Just remember that with any crossbow, but especially the RDTs the MOST important thing is that the arrow MUST be tight against the string before you pull the trigger or you will have a dry-fire situation and your string will break, causing all kinds of ugliness. Also, keep your string and cables waxed as outlined above and buy a box of Horton Carbon Bone Collectors for hunting. I buy them on the web wherever I can get the best price. Also consider 4 Limb Tunerz to silence your Vision even more... they are, in my humble opinion, the best bow silencers out there because they are nice and beefy and don't rely on adhesives to stay in your bow. Put one one each limb about an inch down from the cutout for the cam and make sure the knobby part is on the OUTSIDE of the limb. Put one on each side of the foot stirrup as that thing acts as a big tuning fork if you don't silence it. The only other thing I recommend for Vision owners is to buy a Viper X PREMIUM bow string from Viper X's website and save your OEM string as a spare. You should never go into the field with ANY BOW, compound or Xbow without a spare string. You don't know how many times I had a hunt ruined because I got in the field and had string issues and was an hour from the nearest town. Just make sure you toss that little slave string in your backpack too, it will allow you to change your string in the field if you ever need to. The Viper X PREMIUM string is actually about the same price or cheaper than the Vision OEM string, so it makes sense to go with the Viper X PREMIUM string AND you can trick your bow out a little by choosing the two colors of your string. Oh... if you want a hard case to carry your Vision in, which I do, and highly recommend, to protect your cams and string during transport, I believe the only one out there is the Plano Manta. The Manta is a little on the big side but it gives you plenty of room for extra arrows, gear, etc. I personally shy away from soft cases for my Xbows as they are not a whole cheaper than hard cases and they don't give me the protection I need. You can toss the Manta in the back of your truck and never worry about your bow. A good price on the Manta is anything under $100.00. You got an AWESOME DEAL on that Vision and let me know when you bring that first big buck or stinky Zombie down!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:52 am

Treestop: if you bought the Vision Package you don't need the extra cocking rope, it comes with it's own special cocking sled which assures you pull the string STRAIGHT back for optimun accuracy. See if you can amend your order.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby Treetop » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:49 pm

GrizzWolf wrote:Treetop: if you bought the Vision Package you don't need the extra cocking rope, it comes with it's own special cocking sled which assures you pull the string STRAIGHT back for optimum accuracy. See if you can amend your order.


Grizzwolf, I wondered about that, but I could never find a list of everything included in the "package" so I went ahead and ordered the cocking rope... :(

I'll call Natchez Monday morning and see if I can get them to delete that extra cocking rope, if not, I guess I'll just have a spare!

Thanks for the other suggestions also. Where is a good place order the Limb Tunerz? You must have been reading my mind, because I was wondering if anyone makes a hard case for the Vision!

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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby Ad'lan » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:11 am

GrizzWolf wrote:There are varying opinions as to how far out you want to ETHICALLY shoot at a big game animal with a crossbow. Here in heavily wooded northwest Indiana most of my shots at deer with a xbow are 30 yards or less. In my experience with crossbows you should NEVER shoot beyond 40 yards at a living critter. There are just too many variables at those distances and you want to ETHICALLY and HUMANELY kill your quarry to minimize suffering, etc. I have been told by the bowtechs at Horton that my Horton Recon 175 is capable of accurate shots out to 90 yards but I still won't shoot at a deer past 40 with it. In my opinion, the arrow just loses too much energy, etc., that far out. I also use folding mechanical broadheads for hunting because I feel they are inherently more accurate because they "plane" less than broadheads with their big metal heads / surface area. Make sure the field tips you practice with are the same weight as the broadheads you will hunt with. For example, I shoot 100 grain field tips for practicing and my broadheads are also 100 grains.


+1 Fully agree, another aspect with shooting 40+ yards with bow or crossbow is the travel time. It's not instantaneous, and there's greater chance at long range for an animal to jump the string, or move subtly so a kill becomes a wound.


GrizzWolf wrote:So there you have it, a Beginner's Guide To Crossbows For Zombie Killing And Big Game. If anyone has further questions feel free to ask.- Property of GrizzWolf

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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:55 am

Limb Tunerz... I just do a google search and find a reseller... the price is pretty much the same no matter who you get them from. You need the set of 4 big knobby ones. I think they used to sell a set with two of the big knobby ones and two small adhesive things. You don't want that set, just the big ones. Should be about $30.00 or less for the set.
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:17 pm

AD'LAN... I am indeed a dude... and it's a good thing for I would make one UGLY woman!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby the_alias » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:22 am

Added this to the Hall of Fame - nice write up GrizzWolf :)
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:13 am

Thanks!!
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Re: BEGINER'S GUIDE TO CROSSBOWS FOR ZOMBIE KILLING AND BIG

Postby GrizzWolf » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:58 pm

the_alias wrote:Added this to the Hall of Fame - nice write up GrizzWolf :)

Hi... hey, thanks again for your kind words. I have been sending people here to read the article in the Hall of Fame, as per your comment but it can't be found there. Are we missing something? Thanks again.
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