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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:18 am 
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So I received a little gift today, a sword imported from Pakistan. Now the most striking characteristic is the blade. It is NOT cheap light Chinese stainless steal. In stead it is thick and very heavy with a unique finish that makes me think it was made out of an old file or something it. It looks very heavy duty and I really like it. Can anyone tell me anymore about these swords? Thanks for your help.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:39 am 
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Try to take some better pics of the blade....

It looks like it is 420 stainless. If so, you're better off just keeping it in a corner somewhere.

I can't be sure, though. I bought a pakistani sword from a pawn shop once that was some sort of weird carbon steel. It was made for a child. I re-hilted it and it's been an interesting sword every since.

Hard to give you more info without more pics. Right now I'm guessing it is a stainless built along these lines:

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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pakistani swords are notorious for being poorly made, they are equal to the ones made in china. when i worked at a sword shop they were what filled the $20 bin. if i recall correctly they are usually made from recycled cars that are melted down.


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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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That does, indeed, look to be made from a file...poorly...

These are the things that stand out to me that tip me off that it's junk:

There is a ricasso on a sword with a habaki
The habaki looks like a wrapped piece of brass sheet
The ricasso that shouldn't be there overhangs the habaki A LOT
The grind is HORRIBLY uneven and the angle is bad for cutting
The grip is square (or looks that way) and poorly fitted (from what I can see in the pictures)

Aside from those things, I have seen a lot of blades made from files, but the very nature of a file is going to give you trouble if you are trying to actually cut something the way you would with a sword.

I don't want you to think that it's a total loss--that sword could probably be forged, or even reground, into something useful. In its present shape you have an odd-looking wallhanger. Can we start a WTF Blade of the Month thread to go along with the WTF Rifle thread in Firearms? :P

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+1 To a wtf blade of the month thread :D


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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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Looks like carbon steel to me. Note I didn't say high carbon steel. A lot of Pakistani blades are plain carbon steel. Meaning it has all the disadvantages of stainless but somewhat softer and much more prone to rust.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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Well, it was a gift. So it's not like you made a bad purchase or something.

One thing to be aware of, if it is a file (which it does appear to be) is that they can be somewhat brittle. By somewhat I mean a lot. OK in a knife but bad in a sword. A good high carbon steel sword blade will flex, like a leaf spring, and return to true every time, even if bent 90 degrees out of line. (That's extreme but some swords can do it. Something more like 15 degrees is a more standard test.) A cheap stainless steel blade will bend and stay bent. I suspect that a blade made from a file will just snap catastrophically if you try to bend it too far.

So I think you should subject it to some tests, while wearing goggles and leather gloves at a minimum. Clamp the tip of the blade in a vise, and bend it, even fifteen degrees out of line, and then examine it to see if it took a set or returned to true. Also try cutting some stuff with it. And post pics.

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I can't see the texture well enough from the picture to weigh in on the file thing, but the bevel looks terrible for cutting. That short of a bevel on that thick of a blade means it won't cut worth a darn. And Pakistan is not known for high quality blades for import. Quite the opposite.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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:cry: No one likes me sword...Oh well I really have no use for the sword other than haning it on the wall. I still think the blade on it is pretty cool looking. I'll take a few more pics of it when I find my camera. I do hate the hilt and would love to get it redone. Then again if it is as horrible as you guys say it is then I should probably just leave it alone. More pics to come, hopefully tomorrow afternoon.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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the brand name I have seen these under is sawmill - they are not made from files, but rather they fake the texture in (i guess) an attempt to cash in on the 90's era popularity of knives made from files (yeah, they have done that since forever, but there was a small bump in popularity when anza reallyt hit the scene back then) - they are about the average quality of a blade from pakistan, ie low- but the blade you have is at least a full tang piece of steel, and we have had some of those hold up surprisingly well as a machete/ beater blade- they wont hold an edge, but we at least haven't had one fly apart yet under reasonable use.... if something should go bump in the night, you ought to be ok, provided you have had the requisite training with a bladed weapon of that size, to fight a series of field battles and then pass down to your offspring, not so great.....

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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Ok as promised here are a few more pics of the blade. I really wish it had a better hilt and would be at least a little bit usable.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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Yeah, I think the file pattern was faked. If it were actually made from a file, the ridges wouldn't be so prominent. Unless it was a really long file and they just ground an edge on it without doing anything else. Even if it were made from a file, Pakistani files aren't known to be made of the best material. They're usually case-hardened at best.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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Meh..

For $5 you didn't go wrong, OP. When I was a kid I used to kill a bunch of trees with a similar sword.

Yes I did a lot of dangerous things when I was a kid.

Kids are supposed to be stupid. I was just doing my part. :P

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the brand name I have seen these under is sawmill - they are not made from files, but rather they fake the texture in (i guess) an attempt to cash in on the 90's era popularity of knives made from files (yeah, they have done that since forever, but there was a small bump in popularity when anza reallyt hit the scene back then) - they are about the average quality of a blade from pakistan, ie low- but the blade you have is at least a full tang piece of steel, and we have had some of those hold up surprisingly well as a machete/ beater blade- they wont hold an edge, but we at least haven't had one fly apart yet under reasonable use.... if something should go bump in the night, you ought to be ok, provided you have had the requisite training with a bladed weapon of that size, to fight a series of field battles and then pass down to your offspring, not so great.....


That seems like an awful lot of effort just to fake a file. Wouldn't it be simpler to give a halfway decent heat treatment to a piece made from a real file?

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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Ok as promised here are a few more pics of the blade. I really wish it had a better hilt and would be at least a little bit usable.

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How long is the blade? Can you measure the blade thickness? What is the overall length? Weight? I'm curious.

How does it handle? Does it rattle when you swing it? Does it seem heavy or clumsy? Photographs are great, but they can only tell so much.

Is it sharp? Have you ever tried any practice cutting with it? Some people like to chop up water filled plastic bottles or cheap 'pool noodles' as practice targets.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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hi guys, I just signed up and this my first post.

anyways, that sword looks like a samurai.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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It is from Sawmill. I'm the one he got it from. The blade is very thick, so it should hold up.

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ZaldyKhan wrote:
hi guys, I just signed up and this my first post.

anyways, that sword looks like a samurai.


I don't know where to even start on this one.

I will refrain on account of first post but.. wow.

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 Post subject: Re: Sword from Pakistan
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oooh ooh wait I know:

spray paint the blade and paracord the handle, ad a sharping style brick and make a kydex sheet.


oooh yeah and put on EBAY!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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