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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:07 pm 
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So me being a big fan of the SAS Survival Guide, I'm determined to get a parang as recommended by good ol' Lofty. Here's a vid with his custom version he WAS selling, now 'tis gone. Oh wait, that's cuz them crazy Brits had it pulled from production :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMLI6BhFV2c
These guys seem to have 'em, but it's not yet available and is way to expensive for my budget. http://scorpionknives.com/john_wiseman.htm Any suggestions / reviews for similar knives? This will be my one major investment, so fifty bucks is doable.
I'm looking for 11 inch blade or so, 1/4" thick, profile like this:
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TOUGH handle, full tang etc... I'll make my own survival sheath.
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EDIT: I want it to be capable of hacking at trees, hold an edge, and be able to have multiple sharpening angles (tip and bit by grip sharp for skinning and food processing, bulge machete sharp for hacking).

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:58 pm 
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Check out knifetests.com to see many different knives and how well they hold up serious destruction tests. Also need to know what you want the knife to do that will help on which knife to get. You could get a good doable stout knife for ten bucks cheaper than dirt rough use knife.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:16 am 
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good point, I'll edit that in.

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Not a parang but have you checked out the Condor Golok? It is similar in design.

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If I remember correctly the reason it was “pulled from production” was because nobody was buying them. Combination of price, £200 + ($300) for a tree beater, get real and a few bad write ups due to a problem with quality control in early production.

To be honest I haven’t even seen a second hand one for sale. If I ever do, and the price is right I would probably buy it just as a collectors point, but not to use.

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Ghostwolf wrote:
Not a parang but have you checked out the Condor Golok? It is similar in design.


And cheap, apparently about $25.

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I'll have to check out the golok. Thanks!

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I like Martindale's stuff. I have the Golok, and find it more handy and versatile than any machete I've ever used. The 10-inch Paratrooper model is nice too.

http://www.machetespecialists.com/sheffielduk.html

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Jeriah wrote:
Ghostwolf wrote:
Not a parang but have you checked out the Condor Golok? It is similar in design.


And cheap, apparently about $25.


The Condor golok has been mentioned a couple of times recently. Shaper did a review of one he bought: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=63624&hilit=condor+golok

It was all positive until it came time to use it. Then things went downhill fast. Ignoring the broken handle, if it don't cut, it don't cut. Being cheap doesn't offset being ineffective.

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I don't know about scorpion knives, as it would appear that John Wiseman has disassociated himself from the whole survival tool project. This is some info on the "new" survival tool in collaboration with Lofty Wiseman.

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/sho ... ht=wiseman

Although it doesn't mention anything about the old production survival tool. :?
There was an old one going in the classifieds for £130, so still not cheap.

Don't know if it's any good to you but I found these whilst scouting for the Lofty parang thread.

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/sho ... ht=wiseman

I can't testify as to the quality of the blades though so maybe someone else can help with that.

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Civilian Scout wrote:
I like Martindale's stuff. I have the Golok, and find it more handy and versatile than any machete I've ever used. The 10-inch Paratrooper model is nice too.

http://www.machetespecialists.com/sheffielduk.html


The paratrooper looks perfect! I'll have to look into it, definitely fits my needs and (just barely) my budget.
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Jeriah wrote:
Ghostwolf wrote:
Not a parang but have you checked out the Condor Golok? It is similar in design.


And cheap, apparently about $25.


The Condor golok has been mentioned a couple of times recently. Shaper did a review of one he bought: http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... ndor+golok

It was all positive until it came time to use it. Then things went downhill fast. Ignoring the broken handle, if it don't cut, it don't cut. Being cheap doesn't offset being ineffective.


If all Condors are so terrible, it isn't surprising they are going extinct :lol:

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KentsOkay - Now to be fair, I typicaly see good comments about Condor's stuff. This particular one, however, looked to me like it would have far too short of a bevel in relation to the blade thickness to cut worth a darn, and Shaper's tests proved me out. I've never personally held any of Condor's stuff, so I can't comment from in-hand experience. However, this particular product has been reviewed by a fellow Zombie Squader, so just wanted to make sure you were able to take advantage of that data.

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Being over here in good 'ol England I have had the opportunity to handle the new Lofty Wiseman Survival Tool. Lofty specifically asked Samuel Staniforth to work on the design of the new survival knife and manufacture it. The new knife is well worth saving up for - it's really nicely balanced for both big swings and whittling. The handle (beechwood) fits in the hand real comfortably for prolonged periods of work. It really is a superb survival tool - like all good things in life you only get what you pay for! Staniforth sell this knife through their Scorpion Knives branding - www.scorpionknives.com and ship all over the world including the US - unusually all prices include shippng - great if you are in a far flung place...


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Being over here in good 'ol England I have had the opportunity to handle the new Lofty Wiseman Survival Tool. Lofty specifically asked Samuel Staniforth to work on the design of the new survival knife and manufacture it. The new knife is well worth saving up for - it's really nicely balanced for both big swings and whittling. The handle (beechwood) fits in the hand real comfortably for prolonged periods of work. It really is a superb survival tool - like all good things in life you only get what you pay for! Staniforth sell this knife through their Scorpion Knives branding - http://www.scorpionknives.com and ship all over the world including the US - unusually all prices include shippng - great if you are in a far flung place...


If this is true (and I'm not disputing it) then it looks like someone has been using John's name in a fraudulent fashion.

If I may ask, what's your opinion on the above Chris Caine link?
(PM me if you prefer).

Cheers, lunchy.

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Bit disappointed that all the prices are in US $, and £153 is still a lot of money for one tree beater knife.

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theblademan wrote:
Being over here in good 'ol England I have had the opportunity to handle the new Lofty Wiseman Survival Tool. Lofty specifically asked Samuel Staniforth to work on the design of the new survival knife and manufacture it. The new knife is well worth saving up for - it's really nicely balanced for both big swings and whittling. The handle (beechwood) fits in the hand real comfortably for prolonged periods of work. It really is a superb survival tool - like all good things in life you only get what you pay for! Staniforth sell this knife through their Scorpion Knives branding - http://www.scorpionknives.com and ship all over the world including the US - unusually all prices include shippng - great if you are in a far flung place...


i REALLY appreciate you creating an account just to tell me all this!
:D :D

EDIT: Cruising on Scorpion, I can't help but drool over the Fairbairn-Sykes. I've only ever been able to find 440 stainless versions, but ohh the cost! I think I'll save my money for a tool/weapon that sends the pointy bits of metal to the other guy instead of having to be up close and personal.

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i'd recommend the a machete by coldsteel http://www.coldsteel.com/machetes.html they dont have a parang version but they have a bunch of other styles

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If you want a carbon Fairburn Sykes knife then Sheffield Knives still make the original commando pattern FS as well as the current issue survival knife.

£35 GBP last time I looked.

I would not pay a huge amount for one, sure they were/are good carbon steel but they are still a very simple mass produced pig sticker with a habbit of snapping like all thin daggers.


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If you want a carbon Fairburn Sykes knife then Sheffield Knives still make the original commando pattern FS as well as the current issue survival knife.

£35 GBP last time I looked.

I would not pay a huge amount for one, sure they were/are good carbon steel but they are still a very simple mass produced pig sticker with a habbit of snapping like all thin daggers.


Thanks for the lead! Now I have a new website to create wishlists one... yay!

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Ones that were known to have been carried in action by Paras and the RM during the war tend to end up at auction for stupid money along the side medals and service papers/ID of the owner, a lot were lost, many broke more often than not when being used for things other than killing "Jerry", a huge amount even got thrown away when troops were facing capture as they knew the Getsapo had a habbit of cutting on people for fun so you did not want to give them further ideas.

New one's dont attract me as they don't have the history, I would never want to own one as a weapon/tool but I find that the case with most military knives.

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theblademan wrote:
Being over here in good 'ol England I have had the opportunity to handle the new Lofty Wiseman Survival Tool. Lofty specifically asked Samuel Staniforth to work on the design of the new survival knife and manufacture it. The new knife is well worth saving up for - it's really nicely balanced for both big swings and whittling. The handle (beechwood) fits in the hand real comfortably for prolonged periods of work. It really is a superb survival tool - like all good things in life you only get what you pay for! Staniforth sell this knife through their Scorpion Knives branding - http://www.scorpionknives.com and ship all over the world including the US - unusually all prices include shippng - great if you are in a far flung place...


If this is true (and I'm not disputing it) then it looks like someone has been using John's name in a fraudulent fashion.

If I may ask, what's your opinion on the above Chris Caine link?
(PM me if you prefer).

Cheers, lunchy.


I can't Staniforth being able to sell the knife and have the description they give on the Scorpion Knives website without Lofty's OK on this... Staniforth are well known for producing specialist knives for armies a specialists. Not sure what you are referring to in the Chris Caine link?


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KentsOkay wrote:
theblademan wrote:
Being over here in good 'ol England I have had the opportunity to handle the new Lofty Wiseman Survival Tool. Lofty specifically asked Samuel Staniforth to work on the design of the new survival knife and manufacture it. The new knife is well worth saving up for - it's really nicely balanced for both big swings and whittling. The handle (beechwood) fits in the hand real comfortably for prolonged periods of work. It really is a superb survival tool - like all good things in life you only get what you pay for! Staniforth sell this knife through their Scorpion Knives branding - http://www.scorpionknives.com and ship all over the world including the US - unusually all prices include shippng - great if you are in a far flung place...


i REALLY appreciate you creating an account just to tell me all this!
:D :D

EDIT: Cruising on Scorpion, I can't help but drool over the Fairbairn-Sykes. I've only ever been able to find 440 stainless versions, but ohh the cost! I think I'll save my money for a tool/weapon that sends the pointy bits of metal to the other guy instead of having to be up close and personal.



No problem - I read the forums but don't always have much to add so if there is something I know about that helps glad to post it.


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theblademan wrote:
Being over here in good 'ol England I have had the opportunity to handle the new Lofty Wiseman Survival Tool. Lofty specifically asked Samuel Staniforth to work on the design of the new survival knife and manufacture it. The new knife is well worth saving up for - it's really nicely balanced for both big swings and whittling. The handle (beechwood) fits in the hand real comfortably for prolonged periods of work. It really is a superb survival tool - like all good things in life you only get what you pay for! Staniforth sell this knife through their Scorpion Knives branding - http://www.scorpionknives.com and ship all over the world including the US - unusually all prices include shippng - great if you are in a far flung place...


If this is true (and I'm not disputing it) then it looks like someone has been using John's name in a fraudulent fashion.

If I may ask, what's your opinion on the above Chris Caine link?
(PM me if you prefer).

Cheers, lunchy.


I can't Staniforth being able to sell the knife and have the description they give on the Scorpion Knives website without Lofty's OK on this... Staniforth are well known for producing specialist knives for armies a specialists. Not sure what you are referring to in the Chris Caine link?


I see what you're saying about Staniforth, and it would also seem that Mr Caine has been less than forthright about certain issues in the past concerning his knife. So I'll go with Staniforth on this one.

Cheers bud, lunchy.

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