Big A: I agree with you i think Ellie is pretty close and with Vamp adding the point to it i think it makes it believable. The sir would be pretty sweet too...we could tackle that one too after the Lobo.
Ellie: You are awesome...i appreciate you putting so much thought into it...it's been a brain child of mine for months and I have been tryin to bounce the idea off of people with little result. As far as what "to Lobo" means I think i can give you an idea...my understanding of a lobotomy...was a somewhat common practice some time ago when they would actually remove part of the frontal lobe to "cure" the mentally ill. Here's an excerpt:
"Lobotomy took America and some other countries by storm. They were performed in a wide scale in the 40s, because the mental asylums were brimming over with cases after the Second World War. Between 1939 and 1951, more than 18,000 lobotomies were performed in the United States, and tens of thousands more in other countries. It was widely abused as a method to control undesirable behavior, instead of being a last-resort therapeutic procedure for desperate cases." - http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n02/historia/lobotomy.htm
So anyway to sum up I can also see them using the kind of strike as seen in the interview with Sensei Tomonaga Ijiro where he talks about using a "ikupasuy" which is supposedly like a long, flat shovel "similar to a Shaolin spade..." to strike a zed:
"Did you always kill your enemy on the first strike?
[He gestures with an imaginary ikupasuy.]
Thrust forward, never swing. At first I would aim for the base of the neck. Later, as my skills grew with time and experience, I learned to strike here...
[He places his hand horizontally against the indention between the forehead and nose.]
It was a little harder than simple decapitation, all that thick tough bone, but it did serve to destroy the brain, as opposed to decapitation where the living head would always require a second blow."
This is why i kind of pictured the lobo with either a flat sharp edge or possibly an even slightly concaved cutting front edge..for that thrust at the eyes/nose level. That would closer to a "lobotomy" like strike, destroying the brain.
Does that make sense? I don't think it would have been as practical to decapitate and then have to destroy the brain where you could just crack a skull and not have to worry about disposing two pieces of zed as opposed to one.
I also agree that it would have been very simply made and I don't know if a folding head (shovel/axe) would have been sturdy enough to take multiple blows to craniums...i don't think that's what the folding entrenchers (is that a word? lol) were designed for high impact blows. Just brainstorming...not saying you're wrong though
I could definitely see a little spike formed at the bottom of the handle like the ice axe though.
Dave: Dude that is awesome. What program did you come up with on? Looks like a CAD design. That's a cool design...i agree it looks very simplistic. I don't know about the upturned edges though...do you think they would hold up to multiple skull impacts?
I was looking at Home Depot the other day for handle lengths in the pipe section (yes i'm a geek right?) and I think a handle of about 30 inches or so plus whatever length the head is...8 to 10 inches? would be great...i swung it and seemed to be the best length for say leverage and such. I tried longer and shorter and the 32 felt the best...i hope no one saw me lol.
Dave once we have a final design would you mind using your talent there to come up with a final one? I think if i had something like that i could get someone to build it.
You guys are awesome.
On a note about the ikupasuy. This is a picture of an actual one.
It's not a tool or a weapon by any means. Brooks does footnote the discrepancy on pg. 220
"2. Ikupasuy: The technical term for a small, Ainu prayer stick. When later questioned about this discrepancy, Mister Tomonaga answered that the name was given to him by his teacher, Mister Ota. Whether Ota intended to bestow some spiritual connection to this gardening implement or was simply so out of touch with his own culture (as many Ainu of his generation were), we will never know."
Now whether or not Brooks made that footnote up covering for his own mistake...we'll never know.
Probably what Tomonaga had was some gardening tool since he spent years as a grounds keeper. If it's supposed to resemble a shaolin spade it might be something like this:
but of course more rustic
this is a shaolin spade:
i definately don't buy that this would be the ultimate zed re-killer. You'd have to study for years to be efficient with that thing. how ever i do think the concave end would be a very effective thrusting blade.
Oh and here are few more shovels to be inspired by lol. Remember that it's described as FUSION between shovel and double bladed axe.