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Jeriah wrote:I think you mean "fully enclosed hilt" as in "basket hilt." The pommel (derived from the French pomme meaning apple) is the (usually round or sort of round) solid thing at the bottom end, below the hilt, which functions primarily as a counterweight for the blade. They can also be used as a striking surface, but in an "icepick" motion, not a punching motion. Both this, and punching with the basket hilt/guard, are effective maneuvers that were widely used historically, although primarily as part of a setup for a killing blow with the blade.
Ethical_Weasel wrote:One would think that with the effects a katana has on unarmoured flesh and bone, it would be the optimal close combat weapon. A saber would do a lot of damage, strangely enough though, historically most sabers were not sharpened (I know it sounds odd but it is true, an unsharpened blade can still cut.).
And to add to the earlier comments about the Ninja-to, technically you would have a better chance using a Wakazashi, it's around the same length and is curved for added cutting power. It is also important to note that the "Ninja-to" was never actually used by ninjas, that is just a common misconception.
King Tiridates wrote:When I said Ninja-to, I meant all straight, single edged blades and swords carried by Ninja and similar types.
The Tokagure carried theirs in shorter sheaths to accomadate messages, blinding powders, etc. The sheathes were frequently reinforced so they could be used to club an opponet, or to fend off an attack, among other things.
They used the extremely long sageo to create web like seats in trees for observation, or for other purposes.
The sword itself (while sheathed) could be used as boost step for going over or up a wall, and the long sageo would be used to haul it back up to them.
This was possible because of the generaly large tsuba.
Some other similar weapons were shorter, curved blades meant for close quarters, and frequently had little or no tsuba, to prevent a large profile under clothing, and to prevent it from snagging, as well.
The Ninja-ken that I refer too from the Tokagure were frequently not nearly as sharp or expensive (and were therefore made thicker, due to the lack of quality steel) as a katana, and they made up for the lack of edge, length, and curved cutting surface with brutal, full body-weight, slamming cuts, designed to cause huge trauma to the limbs and trunk of the opponet.
Jeriah wrote:SMERSH: what weapons do you believe the ninja used?
Where do you believe the myth of the ninjato came from?
Skaramine wrote:snip...even if they have to put a folding stock AK in a tennis racket case.
Doctor Z. wrote:D. Tomcat ends up drinking some form of frothy, fermented, adult beverage from Lordrahl’s skull.
Skaramine wrote:Katana's are labor intensive. They take 1000 blows to forge, and the steel is folded multiple times in the forging. And they were built strong, to smash through an enemy samurai's helmet and cause intensive skull trauma with a sharp flick of the wrist, as well as being a headcutter blade.
Katanas were owned by the wealthy and by nobles.
But they weren't the only swords. The so-called ninja-to's were along the lines of peasant swords - but who in 20th or 21st Century Western lands would buy a "peasant sword?" An so, clever people marketed cheapo blades as "the mystic weapon of the ninja!"
Skaramine wrote:SMERSH wrote:actually, it became illegal for peasants to possess swords when the samurai class was "grandfathered."
That was eventually the case. But I'm certain not every poor person gave away their blade to be melted down.
Skaramine wrote:Modern gun companies use the same tricks by putting rails and crap on pistols.
hunter wrote:Skaramine wrote:Modern gun companies use the same tricks by putting rails and crap on pistols.
Stupid light rails! Who needs to identify targets anyways. Chances are its probably a burglar and not your teenage daughter sneaking back into the house.
And even if you have your weapon light on your teenaged daughter, you now suddenly have, unless you mount your light 90 degrees to the bore, YOUR PISTOL aimed at her. Yes. Good firearms safety.
Marines who've been dealing with their co-workers levelling weapon-mounted lights at them in the course of conversation in the sandbox most vociferously do not like weapon-mounted lights in conjunction with poorly trained fellows. Not to say a weapon-mounted light isn't a good thing with proper training (ie: not using it as a searchlight but to blind an opponent and identify them) but you've got too many people thinking their 1911, their 870, or their M-16 are glorified flashlights that shoot bullets, and point the muzzles at everything they want to light up, in violation of Rule #3 - do not point your weapon at anything you do not want to destroy.
'Nuff said, hunter. Chew on that logic for a few minutes.
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