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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:40 pm 
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Let's look at WWYD here:

My EDC in the woods is pretty simple - I go 5 Cs (all Dave Cantebury style :lol: ... but pretty standard across the board) (Hell, Cody and the rest of them all got good basic kit "plans").
1C) Cutting - Mora
2C) Container - metal waterbottle and GSI nesting cup
3C) Cover - 8x8 sil-esque tarp
4C) Combustion - ferro rod, matches, lighter, tinder, and "sure fire"
5C) Candle - flashlight (SF E2D), but that is morphing into the handiness of a headlamp

You pack these basic things in a basic bag that goes with you all over the place in the woods. Make sure you've some room for extras like some food, a FAK, and an extra jacket or something. This "5Cs" is layered over my EDC of
1) proper clothing
2) wallet
3) pistol and extra mag
4) multitool
5) keys
6) hanky
7) compass... Which, as Nate can remind us all, I seemed to have left in my truck after taking a berring on or mushroom hunting trip last fall. :oops:
8 )cordage

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Damn Czechnology you make it sound like one should bring some rather heavy hardware while hiking up there.

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Damn Czechnology you make it sound like one should bring some rather heavy hardware while hiking up there.


We all carry in the woods, and for overnight stuff, we usually have longarms, but I tend to be the paranoid one with at least a PCC, and more often a carbine. I also carry a copy of the state ordinances that clearly explain that the USFS regulations do not supercede my right to carry, and that unless I have other outward signs of violating hunting laws, they have no right to suspect me of poaching simply for carrying a weapons(s).

Bears, illegal growers, cougars, whatever. They're all relatively common where we go, and I'm a ZS'er goddamnit, I'm gonna be prepared. =)

ETA: I'm talking about The Woods here, not some trail outside of town or in a county park. The thing with this area is The Woods are often only about an hour from downtown Portland.

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It can, and has, get froggy up in them woods. All kinds are up in there messing about and they all know there is no cell service in 95% of the areas. It's give and take though as a lot of "them" go missing as well for many reasons. Woods don't care who or what you are.

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Is it bad that the fact I can get lost, really, really lost there, attractive to me about the PNW?

A simple EDC would have made their lives a lot better for those few days, and made their rescue faster. A good knife and means of making fire are essentials.

That's one of the things I like best, living here.
An area like this draws... an unusual type of person.

You have to figure you might get turned around hiking over the hill to pick blackberries, and prepare for it just in case.

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Sounds a bit like the Coyote problem we have here in AZ. It's pretty bad when the forest rangers unofficially encourage people to carry longarms.

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Sounds a bit like the Coyote problem we have here in AZ. It's pretty bad when the forest rangers unofficially encourage people to carry longarms.


Heh. I grew up in Higley and Gold Canyon back before there was anything but cotton/alfalfa fields and desert surrounding. I know exactly what you're talking about, and it wasn't even that bad back then. I wasn't allowed to play outside by myself.

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Why does this thread make me want to move to the boonies in Oregon, like, right now?

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Why does this thread make me want to move to the boonies in Oregon, like, right now?


Easy to do. Oregon is mostly boonies. :lol: I think we have more land designated "forest" than any state except Alaska.

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Why does this thread make me want to move to the boonies in Oregon, like, right now?


Easy to do. Oregon is mostly boonies. :lol: I think we have more land designated "forest" than any state except Alaska.


There are a few states that beat us for higher proportions of public land, but we're sitting pretty at right around 50% public.

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It can, and has, get froggy up in them woods. All kinds are up in there messing about and they all know there is no cell service in 95% of the areas. It's give and take though as a lot of "them" go missing as well for many reasons. Woods don't care who or what you are.


I'd like to add that my above comment may look all vigilante justice and crap. It is not. Vigilantes and "sheepdogs" get lost up in the woods all the time too. It's like a bunch of wet and cold and lost goodguys and badguys around here. The Woods just don't give a fuck who or what you are.

Half them grows we found in our mushroom picking area were abondoneed I bet, growers could never find them again :lol:

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It's like a bunch of wet and cold and lost goodguys and badguys around here. The Woods just don't give a fuck who or what you are.


Exactly.

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Speaking of, REI map and compass class before we get into spring? There is one in February but I probably won't make it to that one so I am looking into March. Also a GPS class too - would be nice to have trained people in both in the group.

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I've done land nav before, but that was about 8 years ago. I recall the process, but couldn't replicate it now if I tried. Lets do it! I bet Mike could help too.

ETA: the main problem, as you mentioned, with navigating using a map/compass in our area, is shooting a useful azimuth through all those damn trees. Finding a landmark ain't easy unless you do some serious climbing, or area near enough to man-made cleared areas that you're likely standing on a landmark, and probably not that lost.

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It's why GPS is so popular in Western OR. Been thinking of getting one of those too so I can get into more bushwhacking and not ending up in the paper.

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Could they have ingested the wrong mushrooms that caused the disorientation.


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Could they have ingested the wrong mushrooms that caused the disorientation.


That's unlikely. Most of the ones that grow around here that aren't used culinarily, tend to kill you rather than introduce you to your spirit guide.

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Off topic, but OR related...How much are smaller parcels of rural top semi-rural land going for in Oregon? Say...no less than 5-10 wooded acres?

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Off topic, but OR related...How much are smaller parcels of rural top semi-rural land going for in Oregon? Say...no less than 5-10 wooded acres?

Absurdly cheap, down in the Klamath Area.

http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?c ... 8;268,6843

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Off topic, but OR related...How much are smaller parcels of rural top semi-rural land going for in Oregon? Say...no less than 5-10 wooded acres?

Absurdly cheap, down in the Klamath Area.

http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?c ... 8;268,6843


Thats so cheap i`d consider buying some land just to be able to go all "Ah, you know. Own some land over the "pond" on the west. Yaknow, america" :lol:

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A lot of that middle and southern OR Klamath land is really hard to get into though. I know of 4 people, my old roomy and groomsmen Crytal Brandon the most recent, that bought and sold their "Klamath plots" within years of each other. For CB it was an issue of access. Land was cheap but getting:
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...was pretty expensive. No INCH bag will save you out there.

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Czechnology wrote:
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Off topic, but OR related...How much are smaller parcels of rural top semi-rural land going for in Oregon? Say...no less than 5-10 wooded acres?

Absurdly cheap, down in the Klamath Area.

http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?c ... 8;268,6843


I scanned a few of those properties, but as far as I could tell they all seem, a bit...scrubby? I would pay a little more for something closer to the classic "mature pine, cascading water, and mossy trails" Oregon, ya know? ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/musiknlaw/2397154895/

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A lot of that middle and southern OR Klamath land is really hard to get into though. I know of 4 people, my old roomy and groomsmen Crytal Brandon the most recent, that bought and sold their "Klamath plots" within years of each other. For CB it was an issue of access. Land was cheap but getting:
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...was pretty expensive. No INCH bag will save you out there.


Yup. I don't think I'd consider getting any that didn't border a creek at least.

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Off topic, but OR related...How much are smaller parcels of rural top semi-rural land going for in Oregon? Say...no less than 5-10 wooded acres?

Absurdly cheap, down in the Klamath Area.

http://www.landwatch.com/default.aspx?c ... 8;268,6843


I scanned a few of those properties, but as far as I could tell they all seem, a bit...scrubby? I would pay a little more for something closer to the classic "mature pine, cascading water, and mossy trails" Oregon, ya know? ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/musiknlaw/2397154895/


Probably wanna look more in Tillamook, Columbia, Clatsop, Clackamas, Yamill, or Marion counties then.

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