phil_in_cs wrote:The "why" of what the Secretary said is pretty well documented by him. Reporting what he said is news, getting into is he correct in believing this or that is politics, and we don't discuss politics here.
If makes no difference to us if he and President Obama are correct in this course of action or not. Our issues are how to deal with the fallout (possibly literal fallout) of actions they might take.
Ok, im gona drop this. But Didnt they say something similar to the weapons of mass destruction in iraq??
ei8htx wrote:If Iran is allowed to build nukes, then I'm certain we'll eventually see one over here.
That's worth preparing for.
Doc Torr wrote:ei8htx wrote:If Iran is allowed to build nukes, then I'm certain we'll eventually see one over here.
That's worth preparing for.
What, like on antiques roadshow?
ei8htx wrote:How much damage would Little Boy do in down town New York?
jnathan wrote:There are at least some on-line publications carrying stories of official requests for the UAV to be returned. So we may safely assume that it is in-fact an actual UAV and not a mock-up. There's a lot of speculation in the information security community that the UAV was in-fact compromised and flown to ground safely, just as the Iranians claim. This claim is bolstered by information that suggests more than one defense contractor has been paid to do vulnerability analysis of UAVs to determine whether or not what the Iranian government described is possible. Colleagues have suggested that it's more than possible.
As Phil already mentioned, the Iranian government has been reporting deaths of Physicists for some time, claiming that scientists who are part of their nuclear weapons program are being assassinated.
There's a lot of good analysis on Stuxnet out there and it was non-trivial to develop, primarily because of the zero-day vulnerability exploits it contained as well as the target of the attack: SCADA systems that aren't exactly common or cheap.
crypto wrote:spoofing military GPS is exceedingly difficult, though, to the point of being almost impossible.
Military GPS is running on a separate frequency range that surrounds civilian GPS on either side, plus the signal is secured by type-1 encryption of the same sort that secures the control link. The amount of 'things going wrong' that would have to precede a successful mil-band GPS spoof to work are really, really remote.
They would either have had to recover a valid comsec key from a captured military GPS (unlikely in the extreme), re-key their spoofers in a way that wouldnt have tipped off the whole constellation that something wacky was going on, and then spoof it.
I suppose its more likely that they might selectively jam both ranges of the military signal and then spoof the cleartext signal, which is unlikely, but plausible. I dont even know if the GPS receiver in the Sentinel listens for the civilian signal.
chills1994 wrote:I guess if I was really bored I could figure what the average brick length is for gyms in Iran. Transfer where the wingtips would touch the wall. Then count how many bricks there are between the wingtips. Multiply that by the length of a brick. Then see how that jibes up with a real drone's wingspan.
crypto wrote:My off-the-cuff estimate is that it would result in the glassification of a 50mi radius around the center of Tehran.ei8htx wrote:How much damage would Little Boy do in down town New York?
Which is why it wont happen.
We needed sawtooth edges on doors 30 years ago, but not anymore.
And is that enough detail for you?
Doc Torr wrote:chills1994 wrote:I guess if I was really bored I could figure what the average brick length is for gyms in Iran. Transfer where the wingtips would touch the wall. Then count how many bricks there are between the wingtips. Multiply that by the length of a brick. Then see how that jibes up with a real drone's wingspan.
I'd suggest a hobby, instead...
go to this link here:
http://aerowiki.blogspot.com/2009/12/rq ... dahar.html
granted there are probably different evolutions of the aircraft, but just at that link alone there are two different landing gear/landing gear door configurations.
Bruce Schneier says there's a chance the Iranians spoofed the GPS signals so when it was told to fly home, it landed in Iran. He's a really smart guy, and knows other really smart guys. If he says it is possible, then it is possible.
Wired wrote:Exclusive: Computer Virus Hits U.S. Drone Fleet
A computer virus has infected the cockpits of America’s Predator and Reaper drones, logging pilots’ every keystroke as they remotely fly missions over Afghanistan and other warzones.
The virus, first detected nearly two weeks ago by the military’s Host-Based Security System, has not prevented pilots at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada from flying their missions overseas. Nor have there been any confirmed incidents of classified information being lost or sent to an outside source. But the virus has resisted multiple efforts to remove it from Creech’s computers, network security specialists say. And the infection underscores the ongoing security risks in what has become the U.S. military’s most important weapons system.
“We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,” says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. “We think it’s benign. But we just don’t know.”
Military network security specialists aren’t sure whether the virus and its so-called “keylogger” payload were introduced intentionally or by accident; it may be a common piece of malware that just happened to make its way into these sensitive networks. The specialists don’t know exactly how far the virus has spread. But they’re sure that the infection has hit both classified and unclassified machines at Creech. That raises the possibility, at least, that secret data may have been captured by the keylogger, and then transmitted over the public internet to someone outside the military chain of command...(continued at link)
KentsOkay wrote:I immediately thought about calling 911, but once we got to the T stop and got her out of her jeans, things seemed to be going a lot better.
TC wrote:I know little of the technical side of these sorts of things but thought I'd remind everyone of this story from a few months ago:Wired wrote:Exclusive: Computer Virus Hits U.S. Drone Fleet
chills1994 wrote:things are getting interesting...the Finns find U.S. Patriot missiles on a ship bound for China:
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