which nations are best "equipped" to survive the ZPAW

[ZombieGranny]

Didn't think of them removing the organs from the mummies, but that's quite true... had a senior moment there.
However, why wouldn't they arise from a 'proper' grave?

What is a proper grave, anyway? Isn't it just a hole dug into the ground with a rotting box in it? How could that keep a zombie in?

[SeerSavant]

This is a tough one...

Let's consider which country would last the longest.... Disregarding population size.

Traditional Zombie outbreak; Most of the smaller island nations, Iceland, New Zealand, Greenland, Scandinavian countries isolated by geography or whatnot, as well as territories, Guam, Phillipines, Cayman Islands, Bahamas, Hawaii, etc. Followed closely by those with an armed citizenry, so middle eastern states, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel, etc have a good chance.
I think Russia and the former combloc nations would be okay, they tend to have a pretty armed population, legally or otherwise, but massive population centers, Most of eastern europe's large metro cities, South america's countries, are pretty spread out, with few large concentrations of people except in major cities.
The USA and Canada would have a pretty good chance, as due to the proliferation of an armed population. I think the island nations would have to be the last standing, simply because of geographical luck.

If your talking about government survival, easily the worlds powers, due to availability of large floating cities aka Carrier fleets. I guess the UN could grab a cruise ship and dictate whatever out making repeated left turns in the ocean.... less said about them the better.


Fast viral zombies? Yeah, who knows. Which ever geographically isolated location shuts down their airports the quickest...

A can tell you which place on earth will be impacted the least...

Antarctica.


EDIT wait!!! Here it is; The micro nation of Sealand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand


Whattya think? For the win?
EDIT2; Cmon...... It's technically a nation....

[bonanacrom]

As stated population density and borders are the key. There are other factors but there minor for a quick answer. Iceland and antarctica are the two that could survive. When getting to the other factors some of the smaller Japanese islands and others like them. In the far end of the extreme Australia and new Zealand both have a slim possibility of making it. Every other place will have all the dead from neighboring countries showing up when the food runs out, that's when the smaller country holdouts will get run over. It's the individuals and small groups that will see the end of civilisation.

[gelgoog]

Didn't think of them removing the organs from the mummies, but that's quite true... had a senior moment there.
However, why wouldn't they arise from a 'proper' grave?

What is a proper grave, anyway? Isn't it just a hole dug into the ground with a rotting box in it? How could that keep a zombie in?

because when your buried under 6 feet of dirt it might as well be concrete. If your in a pine box then escaping is pretty much impossible.

Here I'll bury you upto your neck in the desert and you show me how you will escape from that. Hell look at people who are buried alive in an avalanche, even snow has enough mass to it that a full size man under a few feet wont be able to free himself.

If a zombie can climb its way out of a six foot grave, then it should have no problem demolishing even the most secured and sturdy buildings. They wouldn't need doors, they would just smash through the side of the walls like the koolaid man.



if zombies only have the strength of humans, then graveyards are probably going to be the safest places you can find.

[Richter]

oh no!

oh no!

oh no!

OH YEEEAAAAHHHH!!!



btw, are they serious? Sealand? wtf!!!! they really wanted to become their own country? shit, I bet I got enough weapons to go and take it over

[ZombieGranny]

If one goes by zombie movies, then the zombies will be coming up out of the graves.
How they get out, and still behave like zombies when they get up (ie the strength issue), is something the moviemakers know, not I.

If zombies are only the unburied dead, then there won't be very many anywhere, so there will be very little problem.

[SeerSavant]

btw, are they serious? Sealand? wtf!!!! they really wanted to become their own country? shit, I bet I got enough weapons to go and take it over

Think about it...
They have their own bank, their own currency based on the dollar, the radar station is in the english channel (technically in international waters) and they're primarily living on a series of yachts wherever and whenever they want.

Hmmmm...
50 or sixty boats, tethered together, creates a floating island of sorts...


This is about a ZPAW, doubt they can capture the island/station even walking on the bottom of the channel, also pretty sure it'd be hard to boat up and do anything, also, it's got a hellipad.... And that's pretty damn cool.

[gelgoog]

If one goes by zombie movies, then the zombies will be coming up out of the graves.
How they get out, and still behave like zombies when they get up (ie the strength issue), is something the moviemakers know, not I.

If zombies are only the unburied dead, then there won't be very many anywhere, so there will be very little problem.

a lot of people die each day. The problem is at first you have all these infected people running biting people, biting emergency workers and hospital staff. At first they just seem like deranged people possibly suffering from rabbies, but once all those people who were bitten turn, then sudden you have a huge outbreak. It's the people who don't look like zombies yet that are going to cause all the problems, not the rotting corpses.

Cops, hospital staff, paramedics and such forth get bitten all the time. Just imagine what happens when all of a sudden your police stations, fire departments and hospitals are filled to the brim with recently turned zombies. All those people on the streets like the people they are will be dialing 911 at the sight of these crazy people walking around biting people only to find out that no help is coming. By the time the realization has set in that TSHTF then you have shopping malls and grocery stores suddenly filled with pandemonium as people are getting attacked while doing their daily routine. Then of course you have mothers and fathers trying to restrain their infected children hoping there is some sort of cure to this virus getting bitten in the process. You have children walking their siblings getting eaten afraid to shoot their parents and not knowing to run away.

So the problem is not the decomposing corpses from the graves...everyone would know something was wrong upon seeing those things walk around. Its the infected people with little more then a bite mark that are going to cause all the trouble.

[ausher]

Decomposing corpse coming from the grave scenareo is too unbelevible to happen anyway. No way a zmbie could dig thier way out of 6 feet of dirt. A healthy fit human can't even do that. About 3000 pounds of dirt on top of you isn't going anywhere. Mythbusters busted that myth. I beleive in the Infected live human zombie scenareo. Like a rabie infested dog.

[tank148]

probably the tribes out in the jungle and such but as for countries Australia and the isolated portions of northern Canada and Russia if the infection never even reached them i wouldn't be surprised. id say most of Alaska too. everybody in those areas is already living like they bugged out. i know im heading in the general direction of Canada when the shtf.depending on how extreme the situation is.

[AUA]

"Equipped"? Russia. I can't think of any invader who would be able to outpace such a massive military with the terrain advantage on top; I don't believe that any invader actually has successfully taken over Russia, although it's been a while since I've brushed up on the topic.

As far as population/border configuration goes, I would imagine that no country is really "best equipped"; unless you can find a nation that lacks any kind of international transport and is currently/historically been in a state of martial law, survival odds are more or less based on where the outbreak begins in a given area. If it were to start in one of these "better equipped" nations, then it'd fall just as easily as a "lesser equipped" one. I take it we're assuming that these nations would have the advantage of knowing of the threat beforehand?

The Koreas might have a decent chance, since they could fall back to the DMZ, which is known to have an insane amount of landmines and assorted defense equipment (an ironic last stand). Switzerland and Israel are known to have compulsory military service for all citizens, so they'd also have a decent chance.

Note that the "World War Z" assumption that zombies are not affected by explosions is pretty far-fetched. So almost every major NATO or ex-Warsaw Pact nation should be able to handle zombies relatively well. The US would definitely pound the hell out of them, that's for sure. If 155mm artillery, carpet bombing, or thermobaric (maybe nuclear) weapons can't solve the problem, I don't know what would. The question is more along the lines of, can the military react in time, rather than, can the military react at all to this threat?

[Orbit19]

Sealand would be an amazing place to survive the ZPAW in, it's a mini-fort out on the sea, it's impossible to reach unless the zombies learn how to swim or fly a helicopter. The only issue with Sealand is if the place runs out of resources or if somehow the infection reaches the country. Also, the island countries would stand a good chance as long as they were equipped correctly and could maintain population and supply. If they fail to do so, they could die off too quickly or need to scavenge for more supplies in hostile and infected terrain. If the infection were to start on an island country, it would be doomed, no matter how good of a military or how armed the citizen is. That's like saying zombies were created on Mars, if they were, they would conquer the area no matter what.

I think the idea of the Koreas falling back to the DMZ is pretty epic, settle the differences while killing some zombies with mines and 50. Calibers. But seriously, it could stand a chance, if I dropped a bomb shelter in the desert that could resist a nuclear warhead's direct blast, it would do as it is supposed to, stop the warhead from injuring the insides, if you arm a group good enough, they will live. Still, the idea is great.

Also, I like the idea of Iceland and Ireland surviving, Great Britain is a very bad example, population is too massive to resist a zombie outbreak, some how or another, they will be raided by the undead. Iceland is usually too cold to produce crops so that leaves Ireland as a very good candidate. Ireland is not as populated and has decent weather. I would also discuss Switzerland and Isreal's chances but I don't know the geographic locations real well. That leaves Russia, Russia is big, big to the point of it could be it's own continent. Russia would be a great place to survive in, it offers massive amounts of land but it is very cold and harsh terrain depending on the area. Overall, Ireland or Russia.

[TheGunslinger]

I'm still going to point to my home country as a fairly good candidate.

We're ages from anywhere. Other than large population centres on the eastern seaboard (and one far west), there aren't huge population centers everywhere. Militarily, we aren't particularly armed to the teeth, but unless it starts here, it's probably going to be one of the last nations on earth to be infected (except for the Kiwis and Iceland).

We make a lot of food, we're a first world nation and we have a fuck load of natural resources. And our population density is pretty small.

[T-Boon]

(except for the Kiwis and Iceland).

Yay

We make a lot of food, we're a first world nation and we have a fuck load of natural resources. And our population density is pretty small.

We`re in about the same camp, just depends if the gubberment makes the right decisions in a timely matter...

We do export a lot of what we have, so if we only had to feed ourselves we`d be sweet !

Our army isint overly flash, but we seem to make do, and we have quite a large Territorial force (weekend soldiers) and lots and lots of hunters !

[TheGunslinger]

Oh, you guys still have an Army? I thought that you just let the All Blacks look after the place (I kid, I kid)

[gelgoog]

Oh, you guys still have an Army? I thought that you just let the All Blacks look after the place (I kid, I kid)

we also equipped them with anti-stingray vests

[Kva47]

I'd put bets on Finland. If they can stave off the Russians, they can deal with Zombies. Mandatory military service will be a boon for them, too. They don't store their weapons at home, like the Swiss do, but if they could mobilize quickly, every dead thing in the region would be under six feet of snow and ice in months.

Anyone know if Iceland is self sustaining in terms of food? I know they have geothermal power systems.

[Lucretius]

Iceland has a reputation for being "survivable" in case of nuclear war etc., and I bet that applies to zombies too. There would be tough times after all the sheep has been eaten, but if they invest time and resources to building greenhouses (warmed by geothermal methods) and other food production, they could make it.

[just the regular guy]

Didn't think of them removing the organs from the mummies, but that's quite true... had a senior moment there.
However, why wouldn't they arise from a 'proper' grave?

What is a proper grave, anyway? Isn't it just a hole dug into the ground with a rotting box in it? How could that keep a zombie in?

You have to remember that in ancient Egypt they only mummified the ruling class,so their are plenty of bodies left.

[just the regular guy]

Decomposing corpse coming from the grave scenareo is too unbelevible to happen anyway. No way a zmbie could dig thier way out of 6 feet of dirt. . I beleive in the Infected live human zombie scenareo. Like a rabie infested dog.

lmfao. Your Posting in a thread in "zombie tactics" sub forum,and you find this unbelievable.


Anyway where is all the fucking AMERICAN PATRIOTISM WHOORAA. we would definitely survive. If it's a viral infection like in dawn of the dead it would start in one area, everyone in the area would grab everything from the rifle that grandpa past along, to the 38 the lawyer keeps on the nightstand,to the fully stock basement of ar's ak's. We would mobilize the militias,the national guard it would be over quickly. But I do agree that there would be lot's of revenge and opportunistic violence.

[Laconic 24]

I think population density would be a huge factor. So would be the condition of neighbor states, the ownership of firearms among the nation's populace, the ability of a government to respond quickly to a crisis, and if the scenario goes long enough, availability of food and water.

Australia, for the most part, would fare well I think. The populated coastal areas wouldn't be a good place to be, but elsewhere I think would be relatively safe.

Israel has the advantage of arms, security, a coast, and a population already thinking in a survival mode. Their disadvantage is little space, and being surrounded by other nations that aren't friendly to them now.

I think a lot of islands in and around French Polynesia might not even notice a worldwide zombie incident. Other island nations, far away from mainland neighbors, have a good chance of faring well.

Large parts of China would be a disaster I think. Huge population centers, restrictive gun laws, and last I looked into it, the PLA isn't very capable of responding quickly. If local garrisons are overrun, help probably isn't coming.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near India. Incredibly dense population and poor conditions even now.

As for the USA, I think it would survive, but areas would be terrible to be in. Not to get political, but the US shares a large border with Mexico, where a huge population lives within close proximity to American cities and in a third world type of environment. It's logical to think that in the ZPAW, huge numbers of refugees would flee north, bringing the zombies with them. On the other hand, the US has large numbers of privately owned firearms, a lot of fairly remote areas, a lot of natural resources, and a powerful military with a well dispersed National Guard system. Outside of the southwest, and large population centers like NYC, Chicago, DC, LA, etc, I think the US would fare pretty well.

[SeerSavant]

I would give america a nod, but only in part, primarily because of it's enormous size. Geographical locations, terrain, population density, and lets face it, luck, would all factor in.

In the end, its how prepared or lucky you may be.

Lucky you can't predict, and the prepared make their own luck...

[T-Boon]

Lucky you can't predict, and the prepared make their own luck...

Thats exactly it, stacking the deck as it were.

[austinwhited]

Definately North Korea because they pretty much dont let anyone in and out.