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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:23 pm 
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ok, I'm looking for the best and most durable cheap tactical carbine. for reasons I'm not gonna get into but on a trip I recently had my collection of firearms liberated by and outside intruder. I rent and didnt (until now) have renters insurance. I don't have the income I had before so i cant get what i really want so economy is key. I'm looking at a mini 14 and a kel-tec su-16c. Some questions I have about them is what are the average life expectancy of each firearm in rounds fired? If anyone knows. I'm looking for a reliable and durable gun for just fun shooting and in the worst case scenario wrol/paw needs. There are ups and downs to each gun at a cursory level. I have in the past owned a mini 14 and was decently pleased with it everything being considered. I hate the ability to find good mags for it. I put over 5k rounds through it with no issues so I know the mini has a life span of at least that. I'm hoping for a life span of roughly 10,000 rounds if not 15,000. The bigger may be a stretch considering that's the life span of the average ar-15 barrel and bolt components. I look forward to all your input and advise on this. Also if anyone knows any other good weapons systems the price range of these then let me know. I'm not dead set on the mini or the su-16c.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:32 pm 
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Just a suggestion:

Doublestar M4gery

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... =411537957

I was thinking of getting one, but I already got a RRA M4...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:47 pm 
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supercheap- hi point carbine with ati stock to look like the cx4


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im local to double star and i wont buy them. just sayin.

this has been beat to death il sum it up for ya.

BCM upper
rear BUIS
cheap handgaurds
cheapish lower, even double star will do i guess, though milspec is always a plus.

slap them together call it a day.

done quality gun at a good price. not totally your price range but wait a lil more and save just a little more and your in.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:50 pm 
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Minis are no longer "cheap", neither are SU-16s.
I say WASR10 AK. Bout Fo fiddy and u straight.

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Mosin M44.


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KaceCoyote talks lots of good on that Kel Tec... enough so that I'm really thinking about trying it out, and was going to until I found a good deal on something else in the carbine slot recently, so now it's on the "just cuz I wanna" list.

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M-4 style:
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/W.A ... ch-M4-1402

AK style:
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/akagun74.aspx
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN02.aspx

And M-44s are hard to come by online, but gunshows and shops will have them.

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Anyone in the St.Louis area is welcome to run through my SU. Supply your own ammo.

Its not a replacement for a war rifle, but it fills the gap between a dedicated combat arm and a hunting rifle quite nicely.

Its a generalist, not a specialist.

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let me amend what I'm looking for. mag feed, and can accommodate mags upto 30 rounds and at least 5.56 or larger caliber. i have seen mini's and su-16c's go in the 600 dollar range that's what im looking to spend when it comes to the base rifle.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:28 pm 
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M1 carbine.

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http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htm

Vote #2.

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I'm looking for a reliable and durable gun for just fun shooting and in the worst case scenario wrol/paw needs.

Reliable. Check.
Durable. Check.
Fun shooting. Check.
Under $600. Check.
Reliable supply of Korean made magazines that work - Check.
Larger than 5.56mm.... well it's .30 caliber, but it's a different animal being a straight-wall rather than bottle-neck cartridge. With a good hollowpoint/softpoint, it acts like a really hot .357 mag out of a rifle.
Also very little noise, recoil, or muzzle flash. Super lightweight.

Worst case scenario. They are light, handy, durable, and reasonably accurate to 100 yards.
Will hit out to 200 yards without too much trouble.
You might want to invest a couple hundred bucks in a reloading set-up.
A2G is selling a case of FMJ for less than $400 (about 40 cents a round). Reloading will be less than 20 cents a round.

With basic maintenance, it should easily last 10k rounds.

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Yeah, but availability of .30 carbine ammo post-SHTF? Forget about it. I know people always say "consider your own ammo as the last ammo on earth" or whatever, but the cost of .30 carbine ammo and it's lackluster performance compared to what you could be getting for the price is a big downside, IMO. That said I would love a M1A1 paratrooper carbine, but as a "tactical carbine" it would never replace my AK.

OP, my advice is to get an AK, make sure you can check it out first, or if you do order online, inspect it at your FFL and send it back for another if something is obviously canted on it. I recommend the GP-1975 as a starter AK, better quality than the WASRs for not much more on price.

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Siaga? even in my shit ass state they sticker at sub $400. Ya no neato pistol grip but meh.

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Yeah, but availability of .30 carbine ammo post-SHTF? Forget about it. I know people always say "consider your own ammo as the last ammo on earth" or whatever, but the cost of .30 carbine ammo and it's lackluster performance compared to what you could be getting for the price is a big downside, IMO. That said I would love a M1A1 paratrooper carbine, but as a "tactical carbine" it would never replace my AK.

OP, my advice is to get an AK, make sure you can check it out first, or if you do order online, inspect it at your FFL and send it back for another if something is obviously canted on it. I recommend the GP-1975 as a starter AK, better quality than the WASRs for not much more on price.


1 case = $350.00

If you need more than 1000 rounds in the ZPAW.... well.... I mean really? Being straightwall, the case is also incredibly easy to reload.

AK's work fine.... but they are heavier and louder than the M1 Carbine. The M1 C also has a shorter OAL. It's all about trade-offs I guess. I know an extra 2-4 pounds doesn't sound like much.... but I'm a weenie and not afraid to admit it.

Not to mention the OP is familiar with the mini14.... which is basically an M1 Carbine running a 223 cartridge instead of a .30 carbine.

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let me amend what I'm looking for. mag feed, and can accommodate mags upto 30 rounds and at least 5.56 or larger caliber. i have seen mini's and su-16c's go in the 600 dollar range that's what im looking to spend when it comes to the base rifle.

AR-15 CMMG bargain bin. 600 + shipping + FFL. Hard to beat for a rifle that will go bang.

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Check out the M&P-15 OR. I got one. Its nice.

Magpul MBUS are less than 100 if you shop around. I would stick to an AR platform since it has a lot of room to grow into.

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Su-16s are about 500.

My SU-16CA was 450.

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Saiga $330.= Cheap, durable, good for 30-40k rounds, ammo's cheap.

And you have the option to convert later and build a top end AK.

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ok, I'm looking for the best and most durable cheap tactical carbine. for reasons I'm not gonna get into but on a trip I recently had my collection of firearms liberated by and outside intruder. I rent and didnt (until now) have renters insurance. I don't have the income I had before so i cant get what i really want so economy is key. I'm looking at a mini 14 and a kel-tec su-16c. Some questions I have about them is what are the average life expectancy of each firearm in rounds fired? If anyone knows. I'm looking for a reliable and durable gun for just fun shooting and in the worst case scenario wrol/paw needs. There are ups and downs to each gun at a cursory level. I have in the past owned a mini 14 and was decently pleased with it everything being considered. I hate the ability to find good mags for it. I put over 5k rounds through it with no issues so I know the mini has a life span of at least that. I'm hoping for a life span of roughly 10,000 rounds if not 15,000. The bigger may be a stretch considering that's the life span of the average ar-15 barrel and bolt components. I look forward to all your input and advise on this. Also if anyone knows any other good weapons systems the price range of these then let me know. I'm not dead set on the mini or the su-16c.


If you're after a fighting rifle, go buy an AK, steel mags and some ammo.

Dont get me wrong, I love ARs, despite all of the ill informed haters that ignore reality, a quality AR runs just as well, if not better than an AK.

For the money, go AK, hands down. You can be completely set in the AK weapon platform for the cost of a fighting AR.

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Just posting to see where this goes.

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Hmmmm.....

viewtopic.php?t=8419

From a 2005 thread. Things have changed since that time, like the sunset, Heller and LEOSA. I even predicted the Mini coming in 6.8 SPC flavor and the border war. I didn't see Ruger joining the AR15 crowd, however. I also didn't see Mumbai or Fort Hood, Texas.

I'd peruse the first thirty pages and ignore Tommygun's closing his ears to any criticism.

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