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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:47 pm 
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Do you like sterling machine gun? How about the the 7.62x25 round...well the two just had a baby!

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This is the just released Colefire Magnum pistol, based on the Sterling submachinegun. It is chambered in the hot 7.62x25 Tokarev round, and comes with one high capacity magazine. It has the black crackle finish, a 4.5 inch barrel, a ventilated barrel shroud, and fixed sights. Uses modified Sten mags. Built by Wiselite Arms.

Price: $549.95

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/miscellaneous/p/sterling-pistol%2C-7-62x25-cal%2C-the-colefire-magnum-by-wiselite-/cPath/16_356/products_id/3940

just add a front grip and an AOW stamp and bam, you got yourself a mock Mk7

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here is a full auto vid of the mk7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNkmivkSqc


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:59 pm 
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Love the front grip...pretty sure I have seen Sasha Grey using one before.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:12 pm 
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Hmmmm, maaaybe. I wonder how modified that Sten mag is? Extra mags always play a part in my firearm purchases.

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do want!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:19 pm 
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I am trying to figure out if they are sten mags. I kind of doubt that the 7.62x25 would fit in either sterling or sten mags :?

If mags are cheap enough, I really think I am going to have to pic this up. Nothing like piles of cheap hot ammo to play around with.

edit: I think if you SBRed that, added a front grip like the mk7 and then welded a side folding stock like that on the mini-uzi , then it would be one hell of a cool PDW.


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My first real world use for my Sterling MK4 (or the mags atleast)......


I just tried stuffing x25 into the Sterling mag. They don't fit and I can see no way to modify the mag to make them fit. The bullet is too long. Those mags are 40 bucks a pop anyway.

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ah ok I see how they did it. found this on arf.com

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The ribs on the back of the STEN magazines which come with the Sterling/Tokarev pistols are cut out to about 3" from the bottom and then a flat piece of steel is welded in its place. Then "7.62x25 ONLY" is stenciled on the back of the mag.


if anyone can find out if they are selling xtra mags on J&G it would be nice...I could not find them.


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Hmmm, a neat little toy. I wonder if a shoulder sling be used to brace the gun forward, thus negating the SBR stamp?

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It's not like a semi 7.62x25 really needs a lot of bracing, and the weapon is heavy as it is. Not to mention, there's that whole stick magazine to hold onto if you just have to have something to hold onto.

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I think a 15 round mag would work perfect for this gun


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Love the front grip...pretty sure I have seen Sasha Grey using one before.


LOL I love her

Would like to see more guns chambered for this round. It's cheap (If not mistaken the cheapest centerfire round available) and it has balls and deep digging penetration. For that matter would like to see some of the smaller hardcore ammo makers bring this into the 21st century...has real potential to blow a man's heart out his back with the right powder and bullet. AFAIK it's stuck with Magsafe and hacksaw dum-dums. Something like a underweight Pow'rball would function fine and do horrible damage to the human body.
Tokarevs and CZ-52's are very affordable handguns too, parts kit tubers PPS-43 and PPSh-41's were dirt cheap last time I checked also, but most likely have skyrocketed in the last year. For a guy on a budget, let alone one who likes to shoot often, the surplus pistols might be a better choice when the competition handguns in price range are Saturday Night Specials or 9x18s.

Is this one distributed by Century?


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I had a problem with my Suomi and the guys where it and this Sterling pistol are made are absolutely fantastic and really do want happy customers. If you have questions on this and want to know about magazine availability contact:

Richard C. Hamer
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Wise Lite Arms
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FAX: (940) 433-8096
WEBSITE: http://www.wlarms.com/
INFORMATION: info@wlarms.com
SALES: sales@wlarms.com

I cannot stress how happy I have been with the service I have gotten from this company...best service from a gun company in a very long time.

btw, it is distributed by the manufacturer, Wise Lite.

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I don't understand, first, the STEN mag is a straight mag unlike the sterling mag which is curved. besides which a PPS-43 mag could be easily modified to work, that is what i use to feed my M-1 carbine that is now chambered to 7.62x25.

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sarky wrote:
I don't understand, first, the STEN mag is a straight mag unlike the sterling mag which is curved. besides which a PPS-43 mag could be easily modified to work, that is what i use to feed my M-1 carbine that is now chambered to 7.62x25.


whoa whoa whoa....hold the phone. I demand pics of this M1 carbine using pps-43 mags!


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sarky wrote:
I don't understand, first, the STEN mag is a straight mag unlike the sterling mag which is curved. besides which a PPS-43 mag could be easily modified to work, that is what i use to feed my M-1 carbine that is now chambered to 7.62x25.


whoa whoa whoa....hold the phone. I demand pics of this M1 carbine using pps-43 mags!



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Man alive is that ugly, lol. If I wasn't in an ammo buying phase I would get one.

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sarky wrote:
I don't understand, first, the STEN mag is a straight mag unlike the sterling mag which is curved. besides which a PPS-43 mag could be easily modified to work, that is what i use to feed my M-1 carbine that is now chambered to 7.62x25.


I think they went with the Sten mag to stay truer to the square look of the Sterling/Sten 9mm mag. The conversion of the M1 Carbine is one I have considered but I would want to find a real beater to convert, the M1's I have are too nice...lol. Did you use a PPSh43 parts kit to do the mag well or did you modify the original? The guy I have been talking to about this converted an SKS to 45 using Glock mags, he thinks this would be a much easier conversion than that. We have also talked about converting an SKS to 7.62X25.

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I had an old reciever and found a demilled barrel that hadn't been chambered yet. put all that together, cut the chamber and had to permanent attach a flash supressor to bring the barrel back up to 16.5 inches ( the demilled barrel was crush cut to just over 12 inches. so when i cleaned it up it was at 12 inches) I then made an insert out of delrin (acetal) . This allows me to use the carbines mag release (after some mods to the magazine) I'll try to figure out how to do the photo thing.
By the way I also reload for the 7.62x25, i use the hornady 90 gr XTP bullets. pushes the 90 grainer out of a Tok or Cz at about 1300 to 1400 fps and 1600fps out of the carbine. The carbine is a puppy to shoot.

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so nice, folks are already lined up to get'um....

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I had an old reciever and found a demilled barrel that hadn't been chambered yet. put all that together, cut the chamber and had to permanent attach a flash supressor to bring the barrel back up to 16.5 inches ( the demilled barrel was crush cut to just over 12 inches. so when i cleaned it up it was at 12 inches) I then made an insert out of delrin (acetal) . This allows me to use the carbines mag release (after some mods to the magazine) I'll try to figure out how to do the photo thing.
By the way I also reload for the 7.62x25, i use the hornady 90 gr XTP bullets. pushes the 90 grainer out of a Tok or Cz at about 1300 to 1400 fps and 1600fps out of the carbine. The carbine is a puppy to shoot.


Yeah, but do you have pictures of it though???

You must have pics.....(shit, I would have taken a couple hundred of them by the time the first day was over).

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If I'm goin to use a 7.62x25 its coming out of a CZ52 or a TT. Besides that lil gun is ugly as sin. oh well thats my two cents.. worthless rofl.


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looks like wiselite will build you a standard mk7 pistol in 9x19 if you supply the kit.

http://www.wiselitearms.net/29.html


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so nice, folks are already lined up to get'um....

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If you can afford TWO Death Stars, I think you can afford the price difference between 9mm and 7.62x25.

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