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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:52 pm 
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I thought I knew a decent amount about guns, but i was wondering do these exist, if so are they legal in the U.S. does anyone have pictures or links or experiences with them? I did see an earlier post about a pistol using the same rounds as the FN90. So I'd like to know more anyone want to help out with this?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:11 pm 
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There are, or were several manufacturers who produced rifle caliber pistols. Thompson Center, Remington, Savage, and I think that even IMI was making one for a while. They have been pretty popular for big game hunting in the past, but I really have not heard much about these kind of firearms lately. I never really had any interest in them myself.

Here is one made by ultralight arms in .308
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Mind if you answer a few questions to better help direct the discussion?

1.) Are you interested in a pistol that shoots rifle cartridges? If so, for what purpose? Fun and recreation, hunting, self defense?
2.) How much do you enjoy having your ears ring? If you don't enjoy it, pass on getting one.

The shorter the barrel, the more accurate. This is generally the case because shorter barrels have less harmonic vibration. However, after 300 yards or so the environment and gravity can effect the path of a bullet to a greater extent than one travelling a few hundred FPS faster. Secondly, modern barrels with flutting, 4150 steel, etc are often just as accurate as their shorter cousins.

Take a looking and Thompson Encore pistols, you can find a single shot model in virtually any rifle caliber, but with a 14" barrel I don't know if that's really what you had in mind. YMMV

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The Kel-Tec PLR-16 is an interesting piece in that it can be fired one-handed or in a standard pistol grip easily without needing a sling to brace it like you would with an AK pistol or a SIG-556 pistol.

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I have an Automag III that fires .30 Carbine. Does that count?

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OpelBlitz wrote:
There's some.

oh alright

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There are, or were several manufacturers who produced rifle caliber pistols. Thompson Center, Remington, Savage, and I think that even IMI was making one for a while. They have been pretty popular for big game hunting in the past, but I really have not heard much about these kind of firearms lately. I never really had any interest in them myself.

Here is one made by ultralight arms in .308
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oh thats pretty cool ill look into all of those thanks

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Mind if you answer a few questions to better help direct the discussion?

1.) Are you interested in a pistol that shoots rifle cartridges? If so, for what purpose? Fun and recreation, hunting, self defense?
2.) How much do you enjoy having your ears ring? If you don't enjoy it, pass on getting one.

The shorter the barrel, the more accurate. This is generally the case because shorter barrels have less harmonic vibration. However, after 300 yards or so the environment and gravity can effect the path of a bullet to a greater extent than one travelling a few hundred FPS faster. Secondly, modern barrels with flutting, 4150 steel, etc are often just as accurate as their shorter cousins.

Take a looking and Thompson Encore pistols, you can find a single shot model in virtually any rifle caliber, but with a 14" barrel I don't know if that's really what you had in mind. YMMV

Fun and recreation (funsies is the best reason to buy guns im assuming) and self defence
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The Kel-Tec PLR-16 is an interesting piece in that it can be fired one-handed or in a standard pistol grip easily without needing a sling to brace it like you would with an AK pistol or a SIG-556 pistol.

Sig 556 is something im going to look into but im also going to look inti the Kel tec

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The Kel Tec and Sig 556 just look like carbines minus stocks
I meant like semi autos Pistols like that automag
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I have an Automag III that fires .30 Carbine. Does that count?

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can i have more info on this gun
My idea was if i could find a pistol that fired rifle caliber rounds then i could save a little money as far as Ammo goes

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can i have more info on this gun


Sure thing. Anything specific?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

I haven't seen that many for sale but the ones that were could be had for around $500-$700.

My experiences with this particular one has been wonderful. It's fairly big but not too heavy or unbalanced. It has also been pretty accurate as I can routinely pop cans around at around 25-30 yards. I've never had one single hiccup.

And I love the fact that it shares ammo with my M1 Carbine.

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ultralight arms in .308 i couldnt find an actual link to it on the first 3 pages of google, so does this gun have an internal magazine or does it have to be load each time its fired

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I'm a big fan of the M1 carbine and that might influence my decision.
I was gunna ask about the length, does it make it hard to draw or inconveint to carry in your experience?

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Yeah, there's a whole bunch of them. These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

There's the Weatherby CFP
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There's the Thompson Contender
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The Savage Arms Striker 516FSAK
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Magnum Research Lone Eagle
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My father was a real nut when it came to these kind of guns and he used to love his Contender. To me there were always kind of a neither 'Fish Nor Fowl' kind of gun, but I guess when handgun hunting season comes they really give you an edge on someone using a S.A. .44 Mag with iron sights.

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FN Five-seven was the pistol i was looking for specifically
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-Seven
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Yeah, there's a whole bunch of them. These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

There's the Weatherby CFP
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There's the Thompson Contender
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The Savage Arms Striker 516FSAK
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Rem XP-100
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Magnum Research Lone Eagle
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My father was a real nut when it came to these kind of guns and he used to love his Contender. To me there were always kind of a neither 'Fish Nor Fowl' kind of gun, but I guess when handgun hunting season comes they really give you an edge on someone using a S.A. .44 Mag with iron sights.

Now these hunting and target type pistols that are Rifle caliber are extremely intresting to me. Like when i first look at them i compeltely wrote them off, but now i wonder what its like to shoot them as far as target shooting goes, have you fired these and whats it like

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Garyedge wrote:
I'm a big fan of the M1 carbine and that might influence my decision.
I was gunna ask about the length, does it make it hard to draw or inconveint to carry in your experience?


I've never holstered it so I can't accurately comment.

Totally length is about 10", so it might not be the quickest draw lol.


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Garyedge wrote:
FN Five-seven was the pistol i was looking for specifically
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-Seven
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Garyedge wrote:
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Yeah, there's a whole bunch of them. These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

My father was a real nut when it came to these kind of guns and he used to love his Contender. To me there were always kind of a neither 'Fish Nor Fowl' kind of gun, but I guess when handgun hunting season comes they really give you an edge on someone using a S.A. .44 Mag with iron sights.

Now these hunting and target type pistols that are Rifle caliber are extremely intresting to me. Like when i first look at them i compeltely wrote them off, but now i wonder what its like to shoot them as far as target shooting goes, have you fired these and whats it like


Out of those the one I have the most experience with is the Thompson Contender (because my father owned one and he had 6-7 barrels for various calibers with his) and the Savage Striker (a varmint hunting obsessed friend of mine owns one in 22-250 that's a varmint killing machine). I've never fired any of the others listed above, just heard and read about them.

To be honest the first time I fired a Thompson Contender was when I was about 12-13 and I was actually a little apprehensive about firing a pistol and that was chambered in a rifle cartridge. Just because my father could handle it (he was 6'5 and 240 lbs) didn't mean that I wasn't going to break my wrists if I tried it (I was kind of tall and skinny at that time). In all reality it really wasn't that bad just so long as you took a proper stance with the Contender (I think he took it easy on me the first time and I ended up using the .30 Herrett-eventually I ended up graduating to the .35 Rem and later the 45/70).

Now days with the newer bolt action pistols complete with muzzle breaks you now longer have to worry about a great deal of recoil while using full house loads. They maybe louder than all hell, but it does a great deal to cut down on the recoil. The newer offerings in this class also seem a whole lot more accurate than the Contenders of old (maybe it was just me, but shooting a .30 Herrett and then a .35 Rem and then a 45/70 at 12-13 while worried about banging the thing off my forehead from the recoil compared to shooting a 22-250 at 37 yrs old is quite a bit of difference in age, weight and experience and a huge decrease in caliber).

From what I understand there are even competition shoots with this class of pistols where they're turning in sub-moa groups (I don't have any experience with that kind of thing at all, just heard that they had them and watched a couple of those shoots on cable before). So they are very accurate. I've thought about buying one now and then (probably in .223 Rem or 22-250), but it's just one of those kinds of guns that I've never gotten around to buying or getting into. Maybe someday.

That's the best I can do, but other than those two particular guns the only experience I have with them is reading about them inside the pages of various gun rags.

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A couple of years ago when I was spending more time behind the gun shop counter than in front, a guy came in and was telling me about his .308 pistol. I want to say it was made by Pachmayr but I'm not certain. (It was a name that you'd associate with accessories rather than guns at any rate). He said that he could get 3-4 shots off before his hand went numb :shock: . Not really my kind of fun.

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You know, the CZ-52 and Tokarev almost fit this category.

7.62x25 is roughly the same power as 5.7x27mm, and there are several tests that show it will penetrate vests even out of a pistol barrel. Granted, you don't see many rifles chambered in 7.62x25 (or many pistols nowadays), but you can still find CZ's and Toks if you look, and you can also find semi-auto only PPSH carbines online PPSh-41 and PPSh-43 and even the PPSh-43 pistol here at Military Gun Supply. I've seen them other places, but usually with much higher prices.

The CZ-52 and Tokarev can be found starting at $250 (and up, up, up! for Tok's with collector value). They have the old-style mag releases (at the bottom of the pistol grip, not where modern pistols put them) and single-stack magazines, but they're still effective, and they're fun to shoot.

I'm sure I'll get some disagreement about this qualifying as a rifle-caliber pistol, but I think that if the 5.7mm counts, the 7.62x25 should, too. They both have more speed, range, and anti-armor ability than other handgun rounds by a long shot.


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Friend's AK pistol 7.62x39.. Can do 2inch groups @ 50 yards w/o a problem with IRONS!!!
He uses Yugo ammo (corrosive) and there is NO flash at all. Like the others said this is beyond F'in LOUD.
Lots of fun plinking w/. He uses BHO Yugo mags that stay open w/o the mag and release when he nudges the safety..

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Garyedge wrote:
I'm a big fan of the M1 carbine and that might influence my decision.
I was gunna ask about the length, does it make it hard to draw or inconveint to carry in your experience?


Since the AutoMag was mentioned...

If you like revolvers, also check out the Ruger Blackhawk, which can also be found in .30 Carbine.

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