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I was wondering what those with Ruger SR-556's have thought about them. Anyone own both that and a higher end AR-15?

I own a Colt LE6920 and was just looking at the SR-556. I really like the bolt carrier being chrome, I don't like the way the Colt LE6920 has paint that bubbles off after use.

I think I could sell my Colt LE6920 for enough to buy an SR-556 without spending a dime.

Is the SR-556 as compatible with parts as the LE6920? in terms of being able to use say a .22LR conversion kit that is designed for the AR-15 platform?


What do people think?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:24 am 
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Plenty of SR556's have already shown carrier tilt--something which doesn't happen with DI AR's. I mean shit, if they are going to make a gun with a proprietary carrier and gas system, why not just make a railed proprietary upper?

I'm sick and tired of companies shoving pistons into AR's.

As far as parts comparison, all lower parts will fit each other.

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Plenty of SR556's have already shown carrier tilt--something which doesn't happen with DI AR's...



just give it time for the recall

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Plenty of SR556's have already shown carrier tilt--something which doesn't happen with DI AR's. I mean shit, if they are going to make a gun with a proprietary carrier and gas system, why not just make a railed proprietary upper?

I'm sick and tired of companies shoving pistons into AR's.

As far as parts comparison, all lower parts will fit each other.


We recently had the ruger rep come through the shop i work at. They clam to have fixed the carrier tilt problem by tweaking a few parts in both the carrier and lower design. Now I havent seen the actual production units with this fix but it looks interesting and quite feasible. Mostly it was the models with the 715-xxxx prefix supposedly.

Despite the tilt, they seem to be a solid setup from my experience. Then again, 3 magazines fired isnt enough to count as a valid field test. Once I get one of the updated models in the shop i might end up buying it to give it a whirl though.

Dont get me wrong though, I agree with dave on the whole premise of screwing the entire gun up.

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STOP SWAPPING GUNS!

Hang onto the Colt. It's one of the best AR's out there and will do anything you need an AR to do.

The Ruger is unproven as yet and no, most standard AR parts will not work.

Hang onto the gun you have, shoot it, learn it, and keep it. Don't keep switching looking for something better. Learn to love the one you're with. It's not like your stuck with a High Point or even a sub-standard AR.

A Ruger 556 for a 6920 is a bad trade for the Colt owner and a great deal for the guy who pawned off the Ruger.

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A Ruger 556 for a 6920 is a bad trade for the Colt owner and a great deal for the guy who pawned off the Ruger.


Yup. Why oh why would you trade the AR-15 by which (fairly or unfairly) all other ARs are judged for a (probably) soon to be recalled Ruger? I mean, I love my GP-100, but DAMN!

If the cosmetic defects of the 6920 bother you that much, bust out a can of paint and camo that rifle up. I know I was actually happy when I took my BCM out shooting and it got a little scratched up... it makes me feel like that rifle is now mine, and not a characterless safe queen.

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Fair enough. That's what I was looking for. Just wanted to see if it was something even worth considering. The Colt LE6920 is my favorite gun that I've owned by far.

I actually really like the design of the LE6920. I was simply commenting on the bolt carrier losing paint and it possibly having an affect on the performance as it now would be a different size width.


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They clam to have fixed the carrier tilt problem by tweaking a few parts in both the carrier and lower design


I'll believe that when I see it. Every company that makes a piston AR claims that they have eliminated the problem of carrier tilt and every company still has the problem to some extent.

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They clam to have fixed the carrier tilt problem by tweaking a few parts in both the carrier and lower design


I'll believe that when I see it. Every company that makes a piston AR claims that they have eliminated the problem of carrier tilt and every company still has the problem to some extent.


Makes me wonder why there's still a marketing hype about piston AR's... especially if they have issues like these.

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I am not an AR guru of anysort, but I would not trade a proven design like Colt for an upstart in the AR platform.

So if the finish gets scratched, no big deal. Rifles are designed to be used, not stored as safe queens, unless you have a rare Colt Peacemaker or something to that effect.

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OpelBlitz wrote:
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They clam to have fixed the carrier tilt problem by tweaking a few parts in both the carrier and lower design


I'll believe that when I see it. Every company that makes a piston AR claims that they have eliminated the problem of carrier tilt and every company still has the problem to some extent.


Makes me wonder why there's still a marketing hype about piston AR's... especially if they have issues like these.


Because most people will never shoot the rifles enough to see the wear and they believe the BS that Hk spews. Heck, most people probably put a couple hundred rounds, maximum, through a particular rifle in their lifetime.

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DavePAL84 wrote:
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They clam to have fixed the carrier tilt problem by tweaking a few parts in both the carrier and lower design


I'll believe that when I see it. Every company that makes a piston AR claims that they have eliminated the problem of carrier tilt and every company still has the problem to some extent.


Makes me wonder why there's still a marketing hype about piston AR's... especially if they have issues like these.


Because most people will never shoot the rifles enough to see the wear and they believe the BS that Hk spews. Heck, most people probably put a couple hundred rounds, maximum, through a particular rifle in their lifetime.


+1 million.

I've seen plenty of Piston ARs fail, despite claims of increasing reliability.

The DI AR might get dirty, but squirt some oil in it, it works just fine. Hundreds of people have proven this by not cleaning their rifles for 3K, 5K, 10K rounds. But then some internet commando who shoots maybe a few mags out of a rented AR a few times in their lives tells me the AR is weak and frail and unreliable, etc.

There millions of direct impingement AR based rifles, and they've been used to great effect in military service. Piston AR kits and rifles however, generally still have issues with engineering and design.

The LWRC and HK 416 are the only proven piston ARs. I wouldn't bother with the Ruger until its been proven.


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The LWRC and HK 416 are the only proven piston ARs. I wouldn't bother with the Ruger until its been proven.


From the Defense Review:

In fact, there’s now some evidence to the contrary, since the much vaunted and supposedly superior HK416 has been running into some rather serious reliability and durability problems in the field as of late, including the piston system locking up in cold weather and the upper receiver cracking. And, the HK 416 is supposed to be the most combat-proven gas piston/op-rod AR out there! According to some unconfirmed/unverified reports Defense Review has received from some of our industry contacts, the HK-416 receiver-cracking issue has led to U.S. Special Operations personnel operating under SOCOM (USSOCOM) to switch out their HK416s with combat-proven Colt M4A1 Carbines, so they’re now back to using combat-proven direct-gas-impingement guns. The fact is, the Colt M4A1 Carbine is truly combat proven, and significantly more so than ANY gas piston/op-rod AR out there, including the HK416.

If you want to read the entire article which also includes info about the Ruger 556 here is the link:

http://www.defensereview.com/ruger-sr-5 ... n-ar-fray/

Personally I have shot many more rounds through an AR than average, possibly more than most shooters here. I spent 3 years on a Division Rifle team and was encouraged to burn all the ammo I wanted. Now with a choice between pulling the pack (engine and trannie) on a 113 or spending the day at a very nice indoor air condition range you can guess what I did with my days. After leaving the military i continued competing and have used an AR platform for 25 years in three gun matches, rifle matches, etc. I learned early on that if you keep the bolt wet they run. I would also add a nicely oiled bolt also cuts down on the amount of carbon fouling that adheres to the bolt making cleanup easier. I have owned piston guns, the AR 180, the Galil, the FN/FNC among others, and I have never thought them easier to maintain or more reliable. The rifles all worked well but none were as accurate as my ARs.

Currently I own 4 AR platform guns, all direct gas systems. Until someone can prove a different design will work better with the same reliability I get from my ARs I don't see need to change.

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Absintheur wrote:
gordon_freeman wrote:
The LWRC and HK 416 are the only proven piston ARs. I wouldn't bother with the Ruger until its been proven.


From the Defense Review:

*snip*



Defense review is crap, David Crane has little to no credibility whatsoever. He gets reamed on Lightfighter.net all the time. Here we have a civilian who couldn't hack an standard infantry unit touting himself as a legitimate specialist in SF weapons and technology? hahahaha. He is a GWB, Guy with Blog.

I used to be a Defense Review regular reader until I noticed that his blog is basically a rolling advertisement. The TAPCO fucked RPG and M-79s were some of the most blatant examples of how he'll whore himself out to anyone. Every now and then he is lucky enough to get someone who actually knows what he's talking about to write for him (Mike Pannone). David Crane himself though, has no credibility more than you or I. He's shot a bunch of demo guns in demo environments for companies who want a mention on his blog. Big whoop. How many articles has he written ENTIRELY based on pure, unadulterated speculation? Many. The recent round of HK416 rumors started with a single report by a Norwegian soldier posted on AR15.com... and then a Bushmaster sponsored firearms blog start saying the DoD was recalling 10.5" HK 416s without a shred of proof. David Crane thought it necessary to comment on this.

Anyway, the 10.5" HK-416 primarily serves the role of replacing the MK18 Mod 0, which can be finicky when switching between supressed/unsupressed mode. The piston operation of the HK-416 lets operators have a weapon that function reliable with, and without the KAC NT4.

However, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and Crane seems to be advocating strengthening maintenance of the M4/M-16. Which is exactly what any person with any experience with ARs and half a brain would say.

Unfortunately, the reality of Army Ordnance politics, and the fact that most soldiers aren't "gun people" means the DI system will continued to get blamed for jams that are really the result of poor maintenance.


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I'll probably never ever buy a ruger based on their "magazine capacity cave in".

Ruck Fuger. :evil:

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Don't trade the Colt for the Ruger. You wouldn't trade a Ferrari for a Ford Pinto, would you ?

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Don't trade the Colt for the Ruger. You wouldn't trade a Ferrari for a Ford Pinto, would you ?



Hey man, gas mileage! Think of the children...

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Don't trade the Colt for the Ruger. You wouldn't trade a Ferrari for a Ford Pinto, would you ?



Hey man, gas mileage! Think of the children...



Who cares about the children? Think of the women...
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DavePAL84 wrote:

I'll believe that when I see it. Every company that makes a piston AR claims that they have eliminated the problem of carrier tilt and every company still has the problem to some extent.


I can honestly say that my POF doesn't have any bolt carrier tilt problems! (However, it does gouge the cam slot in the upper---fixed with a spring I put in between the bolt and the BCG).


I would NEVER trade a 6920 for a Ruger S(hit)R(rifle)-556. I don't know what you're talking about the 'paint' boiling off on the BCG... I thought they were parkerized IIRC. Besides, DI rifles are actually easier and quicker to clean than piston ARs. I shit you not. My Sig 556 takes MUCH longer to clean than an AR. That said, I get my rifles white glove inspection clean every time I shoot them.

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I noticed you aren't going ahead with the trade so this is moot, but regardless my opinion is this:

Ruger - for all we know it's a great rifle. But it's definitely a question mark because they just haven't been around long.

Colt - sets the standard for ARs and if yours runs well and the only problems are cosmetic...

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I used to be a Defense Review regular reader until I noticed that his blog is basically a rolling advertisement. The TAPCO fucked RPG and M-79s were some of the most blatant examples of how he'll whore himself out to anyone. Every now and then he is lucky enough to get someone who actually knows what he's talking about to write for him (Mike Pannone). David Crane himself though, has no credibility more than you or I. He's shot a bunch of demo guns in demo environments for companies who want a mention on his blog. Big whoop. How many articles has he written ENTIRELY based on pure, unadulterated speculation? Many. The recent round of HK416 rumors started with a single report by a Norwegian soldier posted on AR15.com... and then a Bushmaster sponsored firearms blog start saying the DoD was recalling 10.5" HK 416s without a shred of proof. David Crane thought it necessary to comment on this.


Guys, let's try to cut back on the pointless personally attacks. If you have some explanation to back up your reasoning for discrediting Defensive Review I'd be happy to read it but this whole paragraph is the definition of an ad hominem argument.

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The Rugers may be somewhat over priced for what you get. Unless your 6920 was tricked out, it's unlikely that you'd get enough selling it to cover the new Ruger. During the rifle panic you would have, but NIB 6920s are 1200 or less these days. A used one is going to be 900 to 1000, less trading to a dealer. That is until NIB prices drop to a grand because of the glut.

Keep what you have. IF you want to experiment with the Ruger (and this is a good general rule for anyone), do not fund an experiment by getting rid of a known working gun. Buy the experiment seperately and retain that which works.


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