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Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:01 pm

Mags.

I did a thread on it and the LSD batteries:

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Without the LSD batteries and the fact I got the fold up charger very cheap at Dicks (66% off) guessing solar power would never been in the cards. The darn thing really works and the batteries are something special. It can hang on my pack as there are grommets. Seems durable because the fold up panels are the same type the military uses. I wouldn’t keep the thing on my pack though a patch of blackberries however. The 2.8 oz of my 2 battery size is good on the back too. :D
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Post by Mags » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:00 pm

Tried a search but wanted to add this into my BOB thread. The TAD Gear "Life Capsule" that I have is an older generation in black. It's made of machined aluminium and both compartments are sealed waterproof with o-ring gaskets. There have been several updated versions but they are all about the same. This is an item that is on my person any time I go into the woods. Whether on a day hike or longer outing. I wear it either around my neck or my prefered method is to loop the 550 cord through my belt loops and tuck the capsule into my right front pants pocket.

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One end has a shallow compartment that fits the FB1605 Nato Survival Compass, (Francis Barker SAS Survival Compass.) There was just a smidge of wiggle so I stuck a piece of 90mph tape on the side of the compass and now it fits snug as a bug. No rattling at all. I routinely check the compass's accuracy against my other compasses. I have total faith in the button compass carried this way for basic direction.

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The other end access's the entire hollow tube. Inside that compartment I keep an OD "Spark Lite" fire starter and 4 "Tinder Quick" tabs. In good conditions I can start multiple fires from one Tinder Quick tab.

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This setup gives me direction and fire in a small, secure, easy to carry package. Nifty little doo-dad although a bit pricey.
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Post by ninja-elbow » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:07 pm

Cool Mags. I'm developing a weird "fetish" for capsules ... in a sense I've been obsessed with them but trying to figure out what hte Hell to do with them. Thanks for feeding this. :P So far, the only drawback I see is not being able to open one when my hands are cold. I've had that problem with match cases.

ETA: or fit a can of beans or cookies in one.
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Post by ninja-elbow » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:19 pm

Oh, Mags. I remebered to ask you the question I've been meaning to ask you...
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... and some similiar pics of yours shows that pad looking thing. Is that just a straight-up ass pad? I''ve got some spare foam and was thinking of cutting myself a 12"x12" piece just for my ass when I sit down or whatever.

A few years ago, not an issue to have a cold and wet ass from sitting on a log. Going on 40 years old and and more of an issue for me. :lol:
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Post by Mags » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:27 pm

Most of the TAD versions I've seen have some pretty knarly end caps. Lots of purchase ans leverage available. If all else fails that's why God made multitools! Speaking of cold hands........

One of the exercises I used to run my cadets through during winter outings I called "sausage hands." We would hike for a while with just their "daygear" on. I'd give them each an area to work within seperate from each other in a circular pattern. Then they would rally in on me dropping any and all gloves, mittens etc on the ground and return to there "work station." They then had to make 25 good packed snowballs barehanded. Once the snowballs were approved they had one hour and their "daygear" containing their "fire-kits" to get a fire going steadily, melt snow, (at least half a canteen cup of water,) and bring that water to a boil to purify it. We'd have a cup of cocoa or soup from that to help warm up. They'd pack their daygear back up and I would quickly E+E from the area hopefully before getting pelted by all the snowballs.

This exercise showed them many things including just how little water you can get from some snow, how fast they can loose their fine motor skills, what works in their fire-kits vs what didn't. Overall it was always a good learning experience and fun.

Elbow, your correct it's a USGI puss pad cut down, then 2plyed, then 90mph taped together. I can't tell you how much use I get out of it! I don't roll it or anything just shove it inside my packs. It even fits in some of the internal hydration bladder sleeves. 12X12" might be kinda small.....
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Post by ninja-elbow » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:38 pm

Yeah, you're right. I'm more of a 20"x20" inch guy 8) . That was my next question, if the pads were 1 or 2 layers. I'll make one tonight (after I measure my ass).

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Post by Mags » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:56 pm

My OCD ass even labeled "TOP" & "BOTTOM" so the dirty, wet side is always down. Kneeling, in &out of tents, setting on the ground, rocks, wet logs, lil' snow, standing on before entering my Hennessey Hammock, base for JetBoil, so on, so on, and so on...............
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Post by ninja-elbow » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:05 pm

My mind was just set a-spinnin' with the possibilities. JetBoil pad was one of them.
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Post by Mags » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:48 pm

Ista-Hota, you ask 'bout my medical training/background. Well I'd call it, "advanced beginner." It's always been an interest of mine. I never wanted one of my guys to die because I didn't know or act. The most advanced I get is, IV's (no meds just LR, NS, or Hextend.) needle decompressions, nasopharyngeal airway, oral airways. Most of my "real world" experience occurred on the battlefield, but I'm pretty good with skinned knees as well. Always taught that all of the new whiz-bang stuff is just fluff. Learn the basics of first aid and how to apply them no matter what the environment!

I work in a State Prison and as far as I know we only have one "trauma nurse" on staff. Another reason to learn all that I can.


Military;
Basic/Advanced First Aid
Combat Life Saver Course, (Several Re-Certs)
Additional Follow-ups with 18D Medics

Civilian; (Annual Re-Certs)
Red Cross:
First Aid
Adult/Child/Infant CPR
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American Safety & Health Institute:
First Aid
Adult/Child/Infant CPR
AED

Hope this answered your question. I didn't post up much in the First Aid Forum yet. Only medical stuff was in my Big BOB thread. I know I left stuff out but it wasn't 8 years of medical school! :wink:
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Post by ista_hota » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:52 pm

Hey Mags - thanks, as I said in PM I didn't want to comment on the medical kit without knowing your training - here's my take on your kit: note that ALL of this is strictly IMHO - I am open to anyone offering differing opinions.

First off: I'm using THIS link to assume the contents of your Adventure Medical Kit Ultralight Pro - the contents may or may not be the same as your own, forgive me if that is the case...

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Keep the 7.5" shears, ditch the 4" and add a Benchmade hook instead.

More PriMed.

Since you seem to be gearing up expecting penetrating trauma I'd suggest CELOX-A, CELOX is, imho just all around a better product than QC (let the flames commence) and the -A applicator is extremely intuitive. If you wanna keep the QC-ACS, by all means do though, it has it's uses too of course.

Needle thoracostomy: normally I'd tell you to not fuck with it but you say you're up to speed so... the only thing I'd suggest is adding another needle, in case for some reason yours is damaged or contaminated when you come to need it.

Bolin chest seal. Almost completely retard proof.

Iodine. Alcohol is fine for boo boos but if you're going to carry stuff like IV kit and decompression needles I would strongly suggest some iodine prep pads. No need to carry a bottle though.

Tweezers - preferably a couple of different sets, if weight allows. Actually instruments in general seem lacking - no scissors, forceps etc - am I missing those?

In my very humble opinion no medical kit is complete without peroxide and vaseline. They may not be flashy and cool but fuck do they have a lot of uses.

Ditch the 10cc irrigation syringe and upgrade to a larger one.

Suction. Don't have to spend a bunch on a suction kit, you can cut down a turkey baster if you like.

Put one of these on your keychain: http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/cat ... ts_id=2745" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Add a couple of heavy cycle sanitary pads. They weigh nothing and are very useful - plus, you never know if you'll be bugging out during wifey's happy fun time.

I see 1" tape in your kit - may be missing it but do you have other widths?

Another tringular bandage wouldn't hurt. Plus an H-comp bandage.

ACE bandages. Various sizes.

Eye flush.

More rehydration salts. Many more. You're 10,000 times more likely to need them than anything in your trauma section and they cost and weigh nothing.

Something to splint fingers. Your choice of SAM finger splints or just a bunch of tounge depressors and tape. Again, most folks are much more likely to have to splint a finger than a limb.

Instant hot and cold packs. They're bulky and obnoxious but well worth carrying even just one of each. Again, imho - some may disagree.

Any surgilube with your NPA?

Epinephrine if you can get it.

Smoke grenade.

I know it's probably in your kit elsewhere but just in case (not reading the entire thread for a third time =p), you have survival blankets, hats and other shit for hypotheria right?



Other than that... all good. I don't mean to trash your medical kit at all, just thought I'd offer some suggestions as the major thing that struck me, personally, about your post was that you have a fucking TON of money and time invested in gear to cover every eventuality but your medical kit was kinda... I dunno, I don't wanna say 'light' but like - not in keeping with the levels of awesome in everything else you have here. :D

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Post by Mags » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:29 pm

Ista-Hota,
Bolin chest seal. Almost completely retard proof.
Been meaning to upgrade. My current loadout is ACS's and Hyfin's.
Tweezers - preferably a couple of different sets, if weight allows. Actually instruments in general seem lacking - no scissors, forceps etc - am I missing those?
Lots of them, forgot to list them. Never show your whole hand right? :wink:
I see 1" tape in your kit - may be missing it but do you have other widths?
I do have others but not in my kits. Just shoved in boxes. I'll get on that!
More rehydration salts. Many more. You're 10,000 times more likely to need them than anything in your trauma section and they cost and weigh nothing.
These are enroute as I type.

Got the hot/cold packs but not in my "BOB" kits. Packet of lube comes stuck on the NPA wrapper, NARP thinks of everything. Several "space" blankets.

Thank you for taking the time to look and respond!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D I just updated my lil' thread in the First Aid area. Please check it out and lemme know!
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Post by hockey2pt0 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:31 pm

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Post by Mags » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:47 pm

Close but.....................Let's just say that in the early going I did not want my mother to see me on TV getting my brain housing group hacked off for lack of shooting back! Loadouts have been adjusted over time but the name stuck. Could always be worse!

Had the capability to carry 16 primary weapon "mags" on my person. Plus one in the gun! You get the picture. :D
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Post by hockey2pt0 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:55 pm

How many PMAGS are there anyway? I lost track at about 20
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Post by Mags » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:57 pm

Couple, but not anything like SMoAF!
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Post by Salam9nder » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:25 pm

ista_hota wrote: In my very humble opinion no medical kit is complete without peroxide and vaseline. They may not be flashy and cool but fuck do they have a lot of uses.
Wanted to add just in case - hydrogen peroxide has fallen out of favor for use in wound care because it destroys viable tissue to some degree. Tap water is fine if you just want to wash out a wound. Peroxide is still good for cleaning medical tools and such, though.
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Post by ista_hota » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:53 pm

Salam9nder wrote:
ista_hota wrote: In my very humble opinion no medical kit is complete without peroxide and vaseline. They may not be flashy and cool but fuck do they have a lot of uses.
Wanted to add just in case - hydrogen peroxide has fallen out of favor for use in wound care because it destroys viable tissue to some degree. Tap water is fine if you just want to wash out a wound. Peroxide is still good for cleaning medical tools and such, though.
Yea, I didn't go into it because I assumed he had enough training to know what to use everything I listed for, how and when. It really depends on the situation, the wound and the patient. I still use peroxide to dunk my infected fingers and stuff, but my hands are all scars anyway so fuck it.

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Post by Phoenix David » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:13 pm

Mags you are the man :D

Just one question the EmDom KITMAT how do you keep it so clean?
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Post by Mags » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:45 am

Thanks!

Have more than one and keep a lrg supply of cotton desert hanerchiefs on hand.
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Post by Rumblefish » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:27 pm

kickass. I need to know the name of one of the knives not listed..its the black one with the seatbelt cutter built into the handle. A buddy had one, but i dont remember the name. I want to buy one...

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Post by the_klenzer » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:42 pm

I think you should name your whole kit the "Restart Civilization Bag."
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What surefire is that on the AR?
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