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Turning fail into learn - or - "My first tactical comp!" PIC

Postby the_klenzer » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:24 pm

Disclaimer: This is in Canada, where gun law is a little different, and you can't just go do this in your backyard. :)


Gentlemen!
I've been shooting evil black rifles from the "bench only" local range for a couple years so it was about damn time to get out there and use one in motion. Finally signed myself up for a small local competition and pulled the trigger (sigh, pun intended, sorry).

Nothing like actual competition to test your gear and your skills, so here's what I learned, and how I'm going to improve on my fail.

The day started cool, up in the mountains. Light gloves in the morning are a good idea. I feel underdressed without any tactical gear. However, by noon it was smokin hot. Loaded plate carries don't look so good, as you can see rivers of sweat trickling out of the backs of the guys with them.

My setup: Tavor with Vortex 1-4x, sling, and a simple belt and dump pouch setup. Review on this as we go.

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ALLLLLL kinds of guns to be found here! Yes that's an SKS.

Stage 1: shoot target at 50, 100 5x each then 6 plates spread throughout the range. This is a fairly simple stage for anyone who has shot from bench (except no bench to lean on - shot kneeling). Was going great until I until I load a mag softly and it doesn't feed, which I then turn into a nasty doublefeed. To quote VLee "I can't brain when the nervous!" Must remember to slap Tavor mags in harder, not as easy to do as with an AR. Lesson: Make mag put in good.

Next fail... when you need your rifle, you won't have time to zero it. No zeroing in on the day of competition (which I knew ahead of time). Must remember - when you're at the bench only range the previous time you are out shooting and your rifle is a little off zero, and you say "f**k it, I'll dial it in next time" and then forget... you'll pay for that. I remembered where I was off, roughly (a couple inches low). Not great shooting on my part, but I took all the plates down... eventually.
If SHTF, grab the gun that's actually zeroed.

Next lesson from stage 1... The top guys all ran 1-4x scopes. For shooting 6" plates at 100yds, I see why. I can't even see a f--king 6" plate at 100yds. Glad I had the 1-4x.

Stage 2 was a speed event, shooting 5 targets at close range, 2 shots per target, with one mag change.
This was super fun, as some of the targets were obscured and you had to move and shoot to get them all fast.
Lesson here - a 7 second time (NOT my time) with 13 penalty points doesn't beat a 12 second time with no penalty points. It will take me many more stages to learn the time vs penaly thing. :)

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Kneeling = +5 on your "to hit" roll.

Stage 3 - a tight CQB type stage, lots of corridors, walls, etc... Hella-fun! Shoot, move, shoot, move, shoot. Practicing fast mag changes the night before paid off here, as did making sure they were properly aligned in my dump pouch.
BIG LESSON OF FAIL. The distance between the barrel of a Tavor and the Vortex scope on a mount is about 4". With my already badly low zero, 4" extra low on every target is the difference between 0 penalty points and 6 (3pts x 2 holes) on every target.... x10 targets = 60 penalty points. Burn.
At least I didn't shoot through the wood barricade like the guy before me did.
MINOR LESSON - I must get electronic hearing protection if I compete again. I had my normal Peltor 10's which are great overall at cutting ALL sound. Unfortunately, they kept me from hearing the RO behind me saying "YOU CAN'T SHOOT THAT TARGET FROM HERE, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LAST STATION..." ....twice. Retreat time to previous station, shot target, cursed.

STAGE 4: Combination between some close quarters and 50yd range, multiple positions to shoot from. Fun stage, lots of things to make holes in. Choosing what to shoot and from where really came into play, as some shots were a lot easier to take from certain places. Unfortunately, my time was marred by ANOTHER soft mag load (def harder to slap the mag hard on a Tavor over an AR - must practice this if I'm sticking with the Tavor full time) and again forgetting that I was shooting 4-6" low, all the time. Massive penalties here. Fuuuuh....

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Must... aim.... hiiiiiiiigher.

Final... amazing day, exactly what I got into shooting to do. Overall suggestions for people who want to get into it:

* All you need to do this is a dump pouch. Just make sure you put your mags in pointing the same way you want to take them out to load. Yes, there's a ton of tactical gear, plate carriers, rigs, etc that you can buy. Don't. Just get a $20 dump pouch and try it once. If you want to get tactical, rock it, but it's not needed at all to be competitive.

* If you're in Canada there's a huge advantage to running LAR mags

* Bring water and munchies and keep them handy. You'll be hungry/thirsty way before lunch.

* Bug repellant. Don't spray it in your mouth, it tastes bad.

* Boots or mud friendly hiking shoes with lots of traction? YES.

* Have a comfortable sling and know how to use it.

* Don't worry about score (that's what I'm telling myself anyway, I was 9th out of about 13 IIRC ) and just have fun. Make friends. Put beer in your cooler for after.

* Bring a camera. Get the RO to let your buddy take pictures of you in action.

Anyway, I'm hookered and going back next month for more.
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Re: Turning fail into learn - or - "My first tactical comp!"

Postby gearguy141 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:54 pm

hey, haha i have almost the same setup on my tavor , lar mags but i run a eotech instead. i cannot tell you how much its sucks to shoot that when firing from the left shoulder....
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Re: Turning fail into learn - or - "My first tactical comp!"

Postby jeepinbandtrider » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:04 pm

Awesome. :)

After I started doing competition and classes I started hating going to the square range. It was boring and I really wasn't accomplishing any learning since I couldn't reload or fire more than 1 round every few seconds ect. Only time I go to a public square range now is to check zeros.
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Re: Turning fail into learn - or - "My first tactical comp!"

Postby Phoenix David » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:19 pm

the_klenzer wrote:
* Don't worry about score (that's what I'm telling myself anyway, I was 9th out of about 13 IIRC ) and just have fun. Make friends. Put beer in your cooler for after. .


My first officially sanctioned state match I set a very realistic goal. Don't DQ (Disqualify) and have fun. The first match was a rousing success and I didn't come in last Because someone else got DQ'ed :lol:

Glad you had fun and they keep getting better the more you do them and gets real fun when you start setting up matches :D
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Re: Turning fail into learn - or - "My first tactical comp!"

Postby Dasho101 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:36 pm

the_klenzer wrote:Disclaimer: This is in Canada, where gun law is a little different, and you can't just go do this in your backyard. :)


Gentlemen!
I've been shooting evil black rifles from the "bench only" local range for a couple years so it was about damn time to get out there and use one in motion. Finally signed myself up for a small local competition and pulled the trigger (sigh, pun intended, sorry).

Nothing like actual competition to test your gear and your skills, so here's what I learned, and how I'm going to improve on my fail.

The day started cool, up in the mountains. Light gloves in the morning are a good idea. I feel underdressed without any tactical gear. However, by noon it was smokin hot. Loaded plate carries don't look so good, as you can see rivers of sweat trickling out of the backs of the guys with them.

My setup: Tavor with Vortex 1-4x, sling, and a simple belt and dump pouch setup. Review on this as we go.

Image
ALLLLLL kinds of guns to be found here! Yes that's an SKS.

Stage 1: shoot target at 50, 100 5x each then 6 plates spread throughout the range. This is a fairly simple stage for anyone who has shot from bench (except no bench to lean on - shot kneeling). Was going great until I until I load a mag softly and it doesn't feed, which I then turn into a nasty doublefeed. To quote VLee "I can't brain when the nervous!" Must remember to slap Tavor mags in harder, not as easy to do as with an AR. Lesson: Make mag put in good.

Next fail... when you need your rifle, you won't have time to zero it. No zeroing in on the day of competition (which I knew ahead of time). Must remember - when you're at the bench only range the previous time you are out shooting and your rifle is a little off zero, and you say "f**k it, I'll dial it in next time" and then forget... you'll pay for that. I remembered where I was off, roughly (a couple inches low). Not great shooting on my part, but I took all the plates down... eventually.
If SHTF, grab the gun that's actually zeroed.

Next lesson from stage 1... The top guys all ran 1-4x scopes. For shooting 6" plates at 100yds, I see why. I can't even see a f--king 6" plate at 100yds. Glad I had the 1-4x.

Stage 2 was a speed event, shooting 5 targets at close range, 2 shots per target, with one mag change.
This was super fun, as some of the targets were obscured and you had to move and shoot to get them all fast.
Lesson here - a 7 second time (NOT my time) with 13 penalty points doesn't beat a 12 second time with no penalty points. It will take me many more stages to learn the time vs penaly thing. :)

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Kneeling = +5 on your "to hit" roll.

Stage 3 - a tight CQB type stage, lots of corridors, walls, etc... Hella-fun! Shoot, move, shoot, move, shoot. Practicing fast mag changes the night before paid off here, as did making sure they were properly aligned in my dump pouch.
BIG LESSON OF FAIL. The distance between the barrel of a Tavor and the Vortex scope on a mount is about 4". With my already badly low zero, 4" extra low on every target is the difference between 0 penalty points and 6 (3pts x 2 holes) on every target.... x10 targets = 60 penalty points. Burn.
At least I didn't shoot through the wood barricade like the guy before me did.
MINOR LESSON - I must get electronic hearing protection if I compete again. I had my normal Peltor 10's which are great overall at cutting ALL sound. Unfortunately, they kept me from hearing the RO behind me saying "YOU CAN'T SHOOT THAT TARGET FROM HERE, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE LAST STATION..." ....twice. Retreat time to previous station, shot target, cursed.

STAGE 4: Combination between some close quarters and 50yd range, multiple positions to shoot from. Fun stage, lots of things to make holes in. Choosing what to shoot and from where really came into play, as some shots were a lot easier to take from certain places. Unfortunately, my time was marred by ANOTHER soft mag load (def harder to slap the mag hard on a Tavor over an AR - must practice this if I'm sticking with the Tavor full time) and again forgetting that I was shooting 4-6" low, all the time. Massive penalties here. Fuuuuh....

Image
Must... aim.... hiiiiiiiigher.

Final... amazing day, exactly what I got into shooting to do. Overall suggestions for people who want to get into it:

* All you need to do this is a dump pouch. Just make sure you put your mags in pointing the same way you want to take them out to load. Yes, there's a ton of tactical gear, plate carriers, rigs, etc that you can buy. Don't. Just get a $20 dump pouch and try it once. If you want to get tactical, rock it, but it's not needed at all to be competitive.

* If you're in Canada there's a huge advantage to running LAR mags

* Bring water and munchies and keep them handy. You'll be hungry/thirsty way before lunch.

* Bug repellant. Don't spray it in your mouth, it tastes bad.

* Boots or mud friendly hiking shoes with lots of traction? YES.

* Have a comfortable sling and know how to use it.

* Don't worry about score (that's what I'm telling myself anyway, I was 9th out of about 13 IIRC ) and just have fun. Make friends. Put beer in your cooler for after.

* Bring a camera. Get the RO to let your buddy take pictures of you in action.

Anyway, I'm hookered and going back next month for more.


the joy of being a little south of you. I have been competing for years (literally like 10 or 15 now proly longer cause my family started me out young). I normaly place prety well when i do. but the biggest thing i have taken from competition. First. last. or some were in between, gave fun, make friends, listen to advice and criticisms, and be safe. If you do that you will enjoy competitions for years to come.
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Re: Turning fail into learn - or - "My first tactical comp!"

Postby fenster » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:30 pm

I am highly envious of that rifle. one hitch of any side-ejecting bullpup is how to run left handed? when I shot my first rifle match, I was all kinds of awkward shooting around the left side of cover. I tried shooting right-handed, but leaning waaay backward to allow my muzzle to clear the cover. this yielded pretty mixed results, and was pretty much impossible when kneeling. eventually I found it simpler, quicker, and more accurate to just switch to Lefty when required. did you have stages where you had to shoot left-side of cover? how did that go?
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