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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:41 pm 
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Ok so last time out shooting i took some clay pigeons to shoot well from about 25ft away some were taking two rounds...not cool. Its a sig sauer p226 da only I mean the gun has never jammed on me and i like it but it dosnt have very good accuracy. Its just ok instead. I have heard that the springfield xdm 9mm is pretty accurate and has a 19round magazine. But how is its reliablility? And the beretaa 92fs/m9 has really good reliabiltiy and one can prcure 17round mags for it but how is its accuracy does the whole smily face from lethal weapon pan out? I felt both at a gun shop near me and i loved both but which can shoot really good at distances up to 25meters have high round capacity but not jam on me? beretta or springfield?


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Ok so last time out shooting i took some clay pigeons to shoot well from about 25ft away some were taking two rounds...not cool. I mean the gun has never jammed on me and i like it but it dosnt have very good accuracy. Its just ok instead. I have heard that the springfield xdm 9mm is pretty accurate and has a 19round magazine. But how is its reliablility? And the beretaa 92fs/m9 has really good reliabiltiy and one can prcure 17round mags for it but how is its accuracy does the whole smily face from lethal weapon pan out? I felt both at a gun shop near me and i loved both but which can shoot really good at distances up to 25meters have high round capacity but not jam on me? beretta or springfield?


I despise the Beretta, the grip is way too fat and the DA trigger sucks balls. I am a glock guy, but I did like the XDMs in 9mm that I have shot, one of the longslide competition models I shot was great, very accurate and a good trigger.

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The Beretta can't hold a candle to any XD (or XDm) out there. Put a couple hundred rounds through both firearms and you'll have at least half a dozen or more malfunctions on your Beretta and maaaaaybe one on your XD. If you're looking for a gun to keep you alive in a gun fight, get an XD.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm 
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I'd say the Beretta, but I am a bit prejudiced!

If you want an "accurate" Beretta, then you've got to get an Elite II or else "do-it-yourself" like I did on this one.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:18 pm 
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I haven't had any experience with the Berretta, but I have a ton with my XD's and really like them. I would definitely shoot both and see which one works best for you. Still my XD's have been super reliable. 1000's of rounds shot and never a misfire and they are a breeze to clean. Hope this helps.

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Get the PistolGear 170mm magazine extension and you can have 29 rounds on tap. :shock:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:16 pm 
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After slogging through the OP (seriously, spelling,punctuation, and grammar are your friend) I'd say the M9 is the wrong choice to put in there. G17 or XDwhatever (fuck if I know what the competition model is) would be a better comparo. Both should be accurate enough to get the job done, and then it's a matter of which do you like better.

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Get the one that's feels best to you, Berettas are great guns, iam partial to them. Own several.

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I was hoping someone else would have suggested this so I didn't have to be the asshole, but odds are that 226 is more accurate than you are. That said some people just shoot DAO guns poorly because of the trigger. The mechanical accuracy on just about any non POS handgun should be capable of hitting a target the size of clay at 25 feet without issue. Find the one that is comfortable for you that can maximize your accuracy potential.


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92 or xDM?
XDM.

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The Beretta can't hold a candle to any XD (or XDm) out there. Put a couple hundred rounds through both firearms and you'll have at least half a dozen or more malfunctions on your Beretta and maaaaaybe one on your XD.


Where do people get this crap?

Do you really think Beretta 92F's malfunction 3% of the time?

Hogwash.....


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ultra magnus wrote:
I was hoping someone else would have suggested this so I didn't have to be the asshole, but odds are that 226 is more accurate than you are.


Yup.

I love hearing people complain about how their gun is "inaccurate" when it's them that's inaccurate.


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400 Grains wrote:
I love hearing people complain about how their gun is "inaccurate" when it's them that's inaccurate.


My 1911 was inaccurate until I did some work to it. Now it's very accurate. Sometimes it really is the gun.

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Highly unlikely you're outshooting a SIG 226 unless there's something mechanically wrong, seriously wrong, with the gun. If you're inaccurate with a SIG, you're not going to shoot better with an XDM or anything else.

I shoot better with my SIG P220 than any other gun I own...but it's a matter of inches or fractions of inches, meaning, not much. If you're doing your part, any serviceable firearm will be "accurate".

Go out, and keep practicing until you can put an entire magazine into a 5" bull at 10 yards on demand, every time, without fail. Until then, stop thinking about new guns or gear to improve your shooting.


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Woah, just realized I read that wrong. Yeah, you aren't outshooting your Sig, unless the sights are FUBAR or the rifling has been shot out.

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MaconCJ7 wrote:
400 Grains wrote:
I love hearing people complain about how their gun is "inaccurate" when it's them that's inaccurate.


My 1911 was inaccurate until I did some work to it. Now it's very accurate. Sometimes it really is the gun.


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MaconCJ7 wrote:
400 Grains wrote:
I love hearing people complain about how their gun is "inaccurate" when it's them that's inaccurate.


My 1911 was inaccurate until I did some work to it. Now it's very accurate. Sometimes it really is the gun.


It was a 1911, so that's more understandable. A Sig 226, not so much.

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Doc Torr wrote:

It was a 1911, so that's more understandable. A Sig 226, not so much.

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Doc Torr wrote:
MaconCJ7 wrote:
400 Grains wrote:
I love hearing people complain about how their gun is "inaccurate" when it's them that's inaccurate.


My 1911 was inaccurate until I did some work to it. Now it's very accurate. Sometimes it really is the gun.


It was a 1911, so that's more understandable. A Sig 226, not so much.


A quality 1911 will outshoot the vast majority of shooters, right out of the box. A 70 year old GI 1911 that's been used and abused in 2 or 3 wars? Maybe not.

"Accuracy" is a much misused term when it comes to handguns. It's usually a deflection for lack of ability to shoot them well.


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92F vs. XDM is comparing apples and oranges. XD is a match grade barrel poly pistol, and 92F is a mostly metal GI pistol, that (sorry Beretta fans) most of the military despises. IMO slide mounted safeties are terrible, the design is prone to negligent discharges, and from my personal experience weapons malfunctions were constant. Idk about the price difference, but the xdm competition .45 is $850, pretty pricey compared to comparable smith and Wesson and Glock models. I'd look at a G19, m&p15, and XD/xdm model

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TDW586 wrote:
Highly unlikely you're outshooting a SIG 226 unless there's something mechanically wrong, seriously wrong, with the gun. If you're inaccurate with a SIG, you're not going to shoot better with an XDM or anything else.
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I agree that the SIG isn't the problem, but going to an XDM or conventional DA gun over the DAO 226 will probably result in vastly better shooting in the short term. A DAO trigger isn't a bad thing, but if the shooter doesn't practice much it's a lot harder for them to make hits than it would be with a shorter/lighter trigger.
I'd put SIG quality and mechanical accuracy potential well above a stock 92 and at least a bit above the XDM, but if the shooter can't devote the time to use it properly then he may be better served by trading for an easier gun. Between the two, I'd say that the XDM is going to be the easiest to shoot well.
Trigger control is important either way, and there's no substitute for practice, but there's less to screw up on the XDM than a DAO 226, and he doesn't have to train for the DA first round from the 92.


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Lol I am looking to get rid of a 92FS.... just saying ......


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The accuracy problem only really applies to shooting paper. Go with the XDM. The new improved 92 http://www.berettausa.com/products/model-92a1/ I find really interesting though.

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Might find a range that has both to rent or a fellow member might have both you could try. Chances are good that you can, "try before you buy", as these are pretty common pistols. XDs fit my hand better than Berettas.


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