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M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Sun May 08, 2011 10:46 pm

Hey everyone. I bought a Springfield Armory M1A Scout here recently, and I am looking to make a few adjustments. For those that don't know much about the rifle,it is a slightly shorter model with a rail in front of the breach meant for non magnified or long eye relief optics.

I have two issues I want to work on. I want to add a rail under the front of the weapon, right about where the sling mount is. Is there a way to just add one length of rail there, replacing that sling mount?

Second, I need a nice "combat" sling. I could go with a one point if I have to, but a two point would be a bit better for freeing up my hands. I have used single point slings with my AR, and they seem to give the weapon a lot of room to move when you have it slung.

I guess while I am at it, anybody know of any good battle rattle for these rifles? I am kind of new to the platform, and I am trying to find a good rig for it. I dont really care if it is a prebuilt or PALS system, as long as it holds at least four mags, and can hold an IFAK, maybe some pistol magazines, and a hydration pouch.

Thanks for any help you guys can give me.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Sun May 08, 2011 11:24 pm

Alright, alright. I knew I should have taken some pictures for this post. Incoming. Just for you.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Chris@MTCT » Sun May 08, 2011 11:32 pm

Taco mag pouches and a Vtac sling!
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Sun May 08, 2011 11:48 pm

I have a VTAC on my M4... great for use as a woods gun. Lets me keep the rifle tight and close when I am working in the camp. I just want something... I dont know, sexier for the M1A?

As for pictures. Sorry, the Aimpoint is coming off of my AR. Paintjob to match the future paintjob of my rifle to come.

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Other than that, I want to put an AFG on the front of it. Dont try to talk me out of it. I can only learn the hard way.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Chris@MTCT » Sun May 08, 2011 11:51 pm

Does Sage make a stock for the M1a scouts?
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Mon May 09, 2011 12:03 am

Is Sage the company that makes the current issue M21 EBR stock? If so, I would not have it on my rifle. I had the totally unauthorized honor of carrying the M21 EBR on a single mission last time. When I was laying prone, bipod deployed, it was great. However, I would hate to use that rifle as an actual fighting gun.The lack of stock makes the rifle front heavy, and that was with a scope over the action. With the Scout, and an Aimpoint forward, it would be even worse.

That is, unless Im totally wrong, and Sage makes a wicked stock that I should buy yesterday. Let me know.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Chris@MTCT » Mon May 09, 2011 12:08 am

Yeah thats the stock :wink: Im sure some one makes a after market stock that has some rails and maybe a adjustable buttstock for your shooter.

Would like to add, we got the EBR's in 09 and I never had to hump that beast, but it did ride around in my truck and one time we mounted it to our talon robot for shits and giggles, wish I had a pic so I guess it never happened.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Mon May 09, 2011 12:14 am

So, OT. But I hope you guys had the long range antennna on your Talon. We (our EOCA dudes) mislpaced ours, so we got to get up close and personal with an IED one time. Command wire was broke and all, but still, its a fun story to tell people that dont know anything about it. Anyways.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by KentsOkay » Mon May 09, 2011 12:23 am

Meh on synth stocks, I am a wood die hard.
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Post by Chris@MTCT » Mon May 09, 2011 12:25 am

We had the long range one but never used it, we found the talon in the HHC's conex and I bullshited the CO' into letting me use it since I had "robot" training (dont think the little monster truck from JRTC counted) We just used it a few times, but did PID one IED with it so I guess it worked out for the best.

The EOD team on the fob gave me a few classes on operation. Picking up a bottle of water moving said bottle 100 feet then pouring that bottle into a cup took me a few hours to master.

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Post by Whiskey » Mon May 09, 2011 12:34 am

That would be more what I am looking for, I guess. I was hoping for a 20 dollar rail, looks like I am going to get a multiple hundred dollar stock system.
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Post by Chris@MTCT » Mon May 09, 2011 12:45 am

Whiskey wrote:That would be more what I am looking for, I guess. I was hoping for a 20 dollar rail, looks like I am going to get a multiple hundred dollar stock system.
sorry :mrgreen:
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Whiskey wrote:...I was hoping for a 20 dollar rail, looks like I am going to get a multiple hundred dollar stock system.
You don't need to drop several hundred bones...

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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Frank » Mon May 09, 2011 1:40 am

Whiskey, im curious as to what your plan on using your rifle for? (whats its role)
im debating picking up the M1a socom 16..
hows the 18 inch barrel on your scout? have you fired the socom?...one more thing. where do you get your ammunition from?
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Mon May 09, 2011 7:17 am

Frank,

This all started a few weeks ago, when I was looking for a deer gun. My wife authorized funds, and I went up to the gun store. I had always liked the M14, but was planning on getting a bolt action .308. When I got there, my mind was changed.

When I decided to order the M1A Scout, I had decided that for me, buying a bolt gun was just going to add the need for another rifle in the future. I own an AR15 already, which my wife is quite comfortable with. Buying a magazine fed battle rifle gave me two fighting guns, one able to take deer with ease. I guess you would say its role is a hunting rifle for now, and my fighting rifle should the SHTF. At least until our home armory contains two good AR15s.

I like the 18 inch barrel. It gives good accuracy while still being wieldy. I too was looking at the SOCOM 16, as I think it is a wicked looking rifle. However, after talking to my buddy at the gun shop who owns one, I decided to skip on it. He reported some reliability issues with the shortened gas system. I have also heard people say that out past 300m, you are going to have to use some serious Kentucky windage to make hits, due to the short barrel. Now, I have nothing to back all that up, but I decided for a rifle I may need to rely on in the PAW, I wouldn't take my chances.

Lastly, my plinking ammo is Pakistani linked MG ammo, that my local gun shop sells. Pretty sure it is the same stuff I saw on Sportsmans Guide or Cheaper than dirt the other day, 115 ish for 150 rounds in a can. You just have to shop around for the best ammo price. Another thing I would pass along is 44mag.com. Ive been told that the magazines there are about the best price you are going to get for reliable magazines, buy 10 at a time and they are 25 a peice, no shipping. Im waiting for the wife to get over the sticker shock of the rifle, and Ill be getting more mags.
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Mon May 09, 2011 7:22 am

Agent Smith, those were EXACTLY what I was looking for. Im kind of surprised they are so expensive, but then again, its the M1A.
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I'm on my phone so I'm not sure if this has been posted...


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I've always had in my mind that if I ever got an M1a, that's the stock I'd run.

Kinda pricey and I'm not sure how good it is, but it looks sick:)
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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Whiskey » Mon May 09, 2011 8:03 am

I like the Troy stuff a lot. Out of the budget for now, but I would like to see one in person, to see how it affects the balance and weight of the rifle.
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I just drilled the stock and added the rails I needed. I had to shorten the mounting bolts so they wouldn't contact the op-rod.
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Post by hotlead » Mon May 09, 2011 7:44 pm

Fulton Armory has a front sling swivel rail too- http://fulton-armory.com/frontstockswiv ... wivel.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But I really like SEI products, so far, all my after market and upgrade parts are Smith. I've been looking at Smiths sling swivel rail for my Bush Rifle myself.

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Post by J.C. » Mon May 09, 2011 9:12 pm

I think nothing could be classier than a 1913-style sling on an M1A Scout, although the functional advantages are for shooting supported - it doesn't have the tactical advantages a Vickers does.

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Re: M1A Squad Scout

Post by Frank » Tue May 10, 2011 3:28 am

another question, muzzle breaks are a no-no in california (will move back eventually) is it possible to remove or replace it with something legal? (im looking at acquiring the Scout also)
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Post by MJS8725 » Tue May 10, 2011 8:11 am

Frank wrote:another question, muzzle breaks are a no-no in california (will move back eventually) is it possible to remove or replace it with something legal? (im looking at acquiring the Scout also)
My understanding is that Muzzle Breaks are OK and Flash Hiders/Flash Suppressors are a No Go. All of the M1As I see for sale in California have the same (or at least on that appears the same upon close examination) break my Scout Squad has.
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