AK DILEMMA(which one)

[mough]

refer to above post specificly sucking at the teat of knowledge

Yeah.. sorry.

[kntckyjon]

Thanks for all the Info. It is definitely assisting in getting me the AK I am looking for.
I have plenty of AK platforms. Yugo, (defanged)MAK, Saiga, Draco.
I dont want it to put a bunch of BS on it.
I can go buy Century AK's all day, I live 15 mins away from Centerfire.

[Kutter_0311]

Of the 5 Century AK's I've had, the Yugo underfolder grouped better than the fixed stock WASR's, how sad is that?

The Yugo was the only one to group inside 19" at 100m.

My Arsenals group almost as well as AR's. With shitty stock ironsights.

Considering the SGL21 is pretty much the layout you seek, and should be available under $800 out the door, I can't see spending $1000 on a rifle with options you were not looking for.

I would like another folder some day, but or a high-quality, fixed-stock workhorse AK, I haven't seen any evidence that leads me to believe there are better rifles than the SGL21. More expensive? YES! Better? Not that I can see.

When I do get a folder, I'm already leaning toward the Arsenal SLR series.

[SeerSavant]

I've got an SGL 21, unless your small framed, definitely get the nato sized stocks...

To put it plainly, I love this rifle...

I've had the opportunity to look over others, including some CIA and IO ones, which aren't horrible, but don't compare.

I researched for over a year before I bought it, and I looked over as many different type and styles as I could, and decided on the 21.

I too, wanted a simple AK100 series, and except for my short fascination with some wood furniture, have really simply run ammo thru it...

Very happy camper with my purchase....

[Unassigned]

I may be castrated for asking this, but what's with so many AK clones having the AK-74 style flash hider lately? I think it's ugly as sin... can someone explain this? Also, are they removable from the SGL's, or perm welded?

[SeerSavant]

I may be castrated for asking this, but what's with so many AK clones having the AK-74 style flash hider lately? I think it's ugly as sin... can someone explain this? Also, are they removable from the SGL's, or perm welded?

Actually the idea that the SGL series is an AK47 is a mistake, they are clones of the AK100 series... Which (I'm sure I will be vehemently corrected, but AFAIK) has the "74" muzzle brake as standard...

The brake is threaded on.

I actually like the appearance, and having fired it with both on and off the gun, can say that the reduction of recoil is notable.

But if I had to chose another, the J-Tac is probably the one I would choose...

[gravediggerfour]

PWS FTW!

[SeerSavant]

PWS FTW!

forgot about that one... High reviews on it, so either way, there are choices besides the 74 style brake....

[Chase The hero]

(about the 74 brake) I actually like the appearance, and having fired it with both on and off the gun, can say that the reduction of recoil is notable.

this. I can definently tell the difference in recoil between the slant/birdcage flashhider and the 74 brake.

[gravediggerfour]

PWS FTW!

forgot about that one... High reviews on it, so either way, there are choices besides the 74 style brake....

The one you posted a pic of is made by PWS.

[SeerSavant]

PWS FTW!

forgot about that one... High reviews on it, so either way, there are choices besides the 74 style brake....

The one you posted a pic of is made by PWS.

Huh... Didn't know that, I thought Jtac was it's own company...

Feelin a little stupid....

Read the reviews on the Jtac and several others (I think in the AK book form G&A) and for some reason simply assumed that they were they're own company...
The PWS FSC 30 I thought was another...

Heeeeyyyyyyy....

Learned something new today....

[gravediggerfour]

I have a PWS on my AR while I love it no one standing near you will..

[SlobberToofTigger]

I have a PWS on my AR while I love it no one standing near you will..

Interesting. I have the PWS J-Tac on both my milled Arsenal AKs (one an under folder and one standard config). The noise standing next to either is not excessive and there is almost no barrel rise on either during rapid fire.

As for accuracy I have a few buddies who were armorers for their groups and have shown themselves to be reasonable shots. When we had a shoot out between the Arsenal AKs and a Knights armory AR they all shot better with the AKs. Over beers later I had no choice but to rag them on their being a better shot with a communist gun. Big grin.

[ncpatrolar]

Keep in mind that if you do urban, rollover, or SBU style prone shooting with those PWS brakes you will be blowing a lot of debris up off the ground

[SlobberToofTigger]

Keep in mind that if you do urban or SBU style probe shooting with those PWS breaks you will be blowing a lot of debris up off the ground

When I read your post I had no clue what you were talking about. Then I figured that you meant "prone" not "probe" and I still had no clue so I had to look it up. Sounds like with urban you are more likely to get dirt n stuff in your face from the ejection port off gassing but in SBU you would indeed get some dirt blown up by the brake. Will have to give it a try, though I must admit I do not spend that much time shooting under cars... Grin.

[Kutter_0311]

Keep in mind that if you do urban or SBU style probe shooting with those PWS breaks you will be blowing a lot of debris up off the ground

Will have to give it a try, though I must admit I do not spend that much time shooting under cars... Grin.

I'll admit, the first time I shot under a barrier was at MilCopp.

You don't realize how much you don't know until you train outside your comfort zone.

Really, I thought I knew my shit, having done pretty extensive CQB training back in '02, and teaching it in '05/'06.

Can't say how much debris got kicked up by the '74 brake in rollover prone, too busy learning...

[gravediggerfour]

Roll over sucks with my pws break on my AR, although there is a standoff height that's perfect for throwing shit in your face, the closer you are to the ground the less it kicks toward you and more straight out.

Proned out is not bad at all but the large square on a VTAC will kick some shit in your face. The two smaller holes on the bottom wont. This could also be that the small holes are blocking some of the debris from coming all the way back.

On this note however I will like to state I like the benefits of the break more then the side effects.

I am however seriously looking at the next muzzle device for my next build since I want less muzzle rise offered by a PWS, but on a SPR that will be shot from a bi-pod a little I don't want a huge dust signature.

I hate waiting on sights to line back up during recoil.

[SeerSavant]

Keep in mind that if you do urban or SBU style probe shooting with those PWS breaks you will be blowing a lot of debris up off the ground

When I read your post I had no clue what you were talking about. Then I figured that you meant "prone" not "probe" and I still had no clue so I had to look it up. Sounds like with urban you are more likely to get dirt n stuff in your face from the ejection port off gassing but in SBU you would indeed get some dirt blown up by the brake. Will have to give it a try, though I must admit I do not spend that much time shooting under cars... Grin.

Probe shooting is a lesser known but no less important tactical advantage, I'll not go into the details, but suffice it to say, the use of probe shooting tends to end in a more intensive clean up afterwards, although the reduction in both muzzle flash and sound suppression are surprisingly efficient, if a bit uncomfortable.




I... just couldn't help myself....

[Kutter_0311]

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Not going to quote that...

Just...

[SlobberToofTigger]

I... just couldn't help myself....

I am glad that someone saw the humor in my post. Grin. Rather than the usual I know more than you about some topic no one really gives a flying donkey backside about.

[ncpatrolar]

I... just couldn't help myself....

I am glad that someone saw the humor in my post. Grin. Rather than the usual I know more than you about some topic no one really gives a flying donkey backside about.

Typing on the IPhone and it's autocorrect tends to lead to some good laughs at times

[HKTackDriver]

For some reason I convinced myself that for my 7.62x39 AK's, I needed beefy receivers, so I got a VEPR and a Romanian milled. I regret it. Get a lighterweight stamped AK, it's much more comfortable to carry. But I will say that the VEPR is by far, the best AK I've ever handled. The action is like glass sliding on baby oil on more glass. Very very nice. My Arsenal 100 milled is also a great rifle, but nothing matches the accuracy of the VEPRs.

[ncpatrolar]

PWS Brake on a 47







Think this was a Miculek brake on an AR

[kntckyjon]

I have been shooting my underfolder YUGO a lot more. Just dont like the folding stock it is uncomfortable and has alittle movement that will probably get worse over time.
Got out my defanged MAK, have been looking at it to put a stock and pistol grip on it. Does anyone know if the muzzle break that is welded on is US manufactured? Does the handguard count as two compliant parts it being a top and bottom?