. We should have had a spar in the parking lot after bbq!
My ground work is pretty bad, especially against bjj guys
Okay, I'll admit it, I read this as bj guys
and thought to myself, "Why is he on the ground in parking lots," coupled with, "How often does he have to fight off guys in the parking lot giving BJs?" And then I thought, "Do I really want to know?"
We used the SpyderCo trainers because you can fold them like the real thing until needed... I've trained with those shock knives, and I admit, they are pretty "realistic" in the "what the fuck just happened?" sense. In getting stabbed in real life, I didn't know I was until I saw the blood, and I thought it was the other guys.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but if so, I think it bears repeating:
Disclaimer: I haven't tested this yet, but this is my current hypothesis.
I believe a lot of people fail to take away from this drill what I perceive to be the primary lesson--the real issue is not "knife vs. gun, which one is better?" (Should be obvious), the real issue is "Action vs. Reaction
." It is extremely difficult to respond to *any* type of threat when the aggressor has already started to attack. As the good guys (we are
the good guys, right?) we inherently, by definition, are forced to be the ones doing the RE-acting in any sort of deadly force scenario.
When I was a LEO I saw a demonstration of a guy sitting in the driver's seat of a car with a cap gun and several officers participated in this drill with Red Guns. The drill was that the officer was to go through a "typical" traffic stop, and respond as soon as he perceived a threat. Everyone *knew* the guy in the car was going to pull, point and "fire" the cap gun at that officer. No one was ever able to respond quickly enough. (At least, from the holster--but I'm pretty sure they also tried it where the officer *started* with his weapon drawn and he still couldn't react fast enough). Alas, it was a large crowd and not everyone got to try it, so I didn't get to play.
So, I don't think this is a lesson on the alleged superiority of knives, I think it is a lesson on reaction time. I wonder what this drill would look like if you replaced the aggressor's knife with a pistol and tried it with simunitions, or pellet guns or something? I know that sounds like something from a western, but I still think that's the real lesson here.
Of course, I'm not a gunfighter (as anyone from MilCopp will tell you
), so I may be mistaken, and I'd love to hear what some of our resident experts think.
(ETA: I'd welcome Dave's, doc's or TDW's opinion, for example).
We did something similar with Simunitions, and did something similar in the drill. Our scenario was a car stop, with the suspect (me) in the drivers seat. The pistol was actually laying on the passengers seat in full view. The deal was I would not pick up the pistol until the officer said something about it--either by giving me an order pertaining to the pistol or starting to draw and move themselves. What we found was that the officer is always behind the curve in shooting, and if he has a level three holster, even further. There is no way in Valhalla he's going to get his pistol out and shoot by just standing there and observing. His reaction time is just enough slower that I managed to get a round into nearly everyone once they saw the pistol, commented on it and began their own action sequence. (Mine was simple; act stupid, grab the pistol and shoot.) So what we found was that most officers get shot, but the ones who take the "lesser" hits, are the ones who start moving as soon as they suspect something is up. The one I didn't get a shot off at was the one guy who did a passenger side approach. He saw the pistol and had me before I could see him passed all the lights from the patrol car. We cycled everyone through so that they could not talk to each other by having the guys who had not done the scenario in a paperwork training session in one room, and pulled them out for the car stop game, then sending them home right after the car stop was over. It worked pretty well.
It is a lessen in reaction time. It's about how you start to take control of a situation that you really have no control over. This is why we advocate movement, and movement toward cover, at all times. Let's call cover is something that you put between you and your opponent. I think that the cover and concealment adages are a little much for this particular situation; but getting something between you and them is never a bad idea.
As for grappling with someone; while it's been years since I've played with martial arts, at least they have a way to handle it, and it's better than running, 'cause I can't run very fast. What I've found when people are trying to do something stupid with a blunt object or a knife is move off line, create distance (if possible) and if they are really close (usually the case) close as fast as you can, lock up the arm that has that thing and do as much damage to that appendage as you can. Usually, people--everyday people--tend to concentrate on trying to free the weapon so they can use it against you. A smart fighter lets you get locked in on the weapon and then beats the shit out of you while you are worried about the weapon.