Any interest in Zombie Squad lowers? (Poll added)

[MaconCJ7]

I'm out, no cannons for me. Sorry, man.

[phil_in_cs]

7 pages of chatter. Let's get this party started. I have some local guy in my state that might do it. Company name is LAR. What's up.

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That, in essence, is the problem w/ this whole concept. As Crypto said way back, pick a design, get a sample, post photos, take orders. The endless "I want this" or "I want that" and trying to please everyone is a recipe for disaster.

[Regular Guy]

Just for clarification, psa can't get lowers without the cannons due to their contract and keep the cost low.

I'll try to get a design idea going to show everyone what it would look like but I don't think I'm going to proceed down the psa route any further. I'll give sun devil a call.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Ok, here is my problem with PSA's deal. If they are going to do a run of "custom" or group buy lowers, I can see them going for around that price. But if all they are doing it running their regular lowers through the laser engraver to burn the ZS symbol in them, they are ripping us off. They sell their lowers for $49.99 half a dozen times a year. The costs of using the laser are minimal. We are, in essence, going to pay a HUGE premium for something that many companies will do for free or minimal cost. I am thrilled that you are taking the lead on this. Don't get me wrong. I just don't want to end up getting taken to the cleaners by a retailer who thinks we all fell off of the turnip truck yesterday.

[CipherNameRaVeN]

+1.

[carolinafan]

So, am I too late to this party? Did it fall through again?

[gun toting monkeyboy]

It hasn't fallen through yet. It is still progressing.

Just to put this out there as a back up. I contacted Quentin Defense about doing a run. They have no problem doing billet lowers for us with the pictogram and our logo engraved (not lasered into the anodizing) instead of their logo. And having a "ZS" series for serial numbers. And having them marked "multi" for the caliber. What ever we want, they will do. The down side is that they will run $150 a pop if we do 25, and $140 per if we do 50. They are billet lowers, however. Not forged. At this point, let's call it "Plan B", and see if we can get a better deal elsewhere.

-Mb

[rburch]

I'm interested in one this time if you all get it worked out.

[KentsOkay]

I need a lower for my first build, so I'm down with anything relatively cheap.

[Blackhawk_tactical]

Sounds good

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[Regular Guy]

Ok, here is my problem with PSA's deal. If they are going to do a run of "custom" or group buy lowers, I can see them going for around that price. But if all they are doing it running their regular lowers through the laser engraver to burn the ZS symbol in them, they are ripping us off. They sell their lowers for $49.99 half a dozen times a year. The costs of using the laser are minimal. We are, in essence, going to pay a HUGE premium for something that many companies will do for free or minimal cost. I am thrilled that you are taking the lead on this. Don't get me wrong. I just don't want to end up getting taken to the cleaners by a retailer who thinks we all fell off of the turnip truck yesterday.

I hear you but PSA is not into doing that to customers. They want low cost quality. They're saying it a no go because of their contract. I'm not sure about their receiver contract but the brl contract at FN is in the millions so deviations are not cost effective.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Ok, here is my problem with PSA's deal. If they are going to do a run of "custom" or group buy lowers, I can see them going for around that price. But if all they are doing it running their regular lowers through the laser engraver to burn the ZS symbol in them, they are ripping us off. They sell their lowers for $49.99 half a dozen times a year. The costs of using the laser are minimal. We are, in essence, going to pay a HUGE premium for something that many companies will do for free or minimal cost. I am thrilled that you are taking the lead on this. Don't get me wrong. I just don't want to end up getting taken to the cleaners by a retailer who thinks we all fell off of the turnip truck yesterday.

I hear you but PSA is not into doing that to customers. They want low cost quality. They're saying it a no go because of their contract. I'm not sure about their receiver contract but the brl contract at FN is in the millions so deviations are not cost effective.

I can live with the cannons as long as we aren't getting robbed.

[PistolPete]

I'm happy with the PSA emblem there.

And let's not call it a "fag tag". Gun toting monkeyboy, you know better.

When the official specs are decided upon, I suggest a new thread without all the background noise in this one to garner interest.

[carolinafan]

Personally, I'd be OK with the cannons on one side and the ZS on the other. I'm not super picky, as long as it's not too expensive.

[mikezq8ss]

It hasn't fallen through yet. It is still progressing.

Just to put this out there as a back up. I contacted Quentin Defense about doing a run. They have no problem doing billet lowers for us with the pictogram and our logo engraved (not lasered into the anodizing) instead of their logo. And having a "ZS" series for serial numbers. And having them marked "multi" for the caliber. What ever we want, they will do. The down side is that they will run $150 a pop if we do 25, and $140 per if we do 50. They are billet lowers, however. Not forged. At this point, let's call it "Plan B", and see if we can get a better deal elsewhere.

-Mb

Ok. I might be willing to pony up a little more money. I bolded the things that matter to me personally. I like engraving over anodizing or lasering, the ZS serial number is cool, and being marked multi might help people out with different builds.

This is considerably more expensive, but I learned a long time ago that the more you want, the more you pay. I'd say keep looking to see if we can get all this for less money...

[sigboy40]

It hasn't fallen through yet. It is still progressing.

Just to put this out there as a back up. I contacted Quentin Defense about doing a run. They have no problem doing billet lowers for us with the pictogram and our logo engraved (not lasered into the anodizing) instead of their logo. And having a "ZS" series for serial numbers. And having them marked "multi" for the caliber. What ever we want, they will do. The down side is that they will run $150 a pop if we do 25, and $140 per if we do 50. They are billet lowers, however. Not forged. At this point, let's call it "Plan B", and see if we can get a better deal elsewhere.

-Mb

Ok. I might be willing to pony up a little more money. I bolded the things that matter to me personally. I like engraving over anodizing or lasering, the ZS serial number is cool, and being marked multi might help people out with different builds.

This is considerably more expensive, but I learned a long time ago that the more you want, the more you pay. I'd say keep looking to see if we can get all this for less money...

I'm going to +1 this, I have no problems paying a little extra for the cooler details, and billet over forged is always a plus.

I'm staying in the background until all the details are finalized. If it is what I want, or a compromise I can live with, I will pay, otherwise I will just lurk and laugh.

[thesupremeking]

PSA group buy with cannons for lower price that 49.99 = IN
PSA with cannons and ZS additions for more money than a usual PSA = OUT

[Akin]

I'm only in if we can get a cool ZS lower... I am willing to pay more for one.

Folks who don't have any lying around will likely be far more interested... but, I'm pretty good right now...



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[gun toting monkeyboy]

I'm happy with the PSA emblem there.

And let's not call it a "fag tag". Gun toting monkeyboy, you know better.

When the official specs are decided upon, I suggest a new thread without all the background noise in this one to garner interest.

Hey now. It isn't an insulting term. That is what the staff at at least two of the local shops that either make or brand their own lowers call their markings on their products. It is simply referring to the markings that companies put on their products to differentiate them from nearly identical products made by others.

I will omit it from future postings.

[KentsOkay]

Im also okay with PSA cannons. Ugh, this or a Umbrella Corp receiver for my first AR?


ZS methinks

[carolinafan]

and billet over forged is always a plus.

Forgive me for being the dim one in the thread, but what's the difference in billet and forged lowers?

[SwampRat]

Much rather have this than the UC lower.

[nimdabew]

Billet:





Forged:

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Billet means that they start out with a solid block of aluminum, and cut/drill/mill it into a receiver. Forged means that they buy a forging, or stamped piece of aluminum and do basically the same thing. But since they are already stamped to roughly the correct shape, there is less work to be done. The forgings usually come from one of 2-3 factories here in the US that make them. Most of the machine shops turning out ARs usually just buy these blank forgings and do their own work on them. Look at almost any upper/lower you have, and you will likely see a key hole, a square, or a stylized cardinal head. That is the company that forged the blank. In terms of which is better, from an engineering standpoint, all the knowledgeable folks I have talked to say that forged is stronger, and has less internal stress. But there is something that is just cool about the billet lowers. They don't have to stick to the same external dimensions as the forged blaks, so there is more of a chance for the company making them to add their own touches. Things like flared magazine wells, solid trigger guards, and flanges/ridges that would be all but impossible to do otherwise.

-Mb