All purpose NFA questions thread

[JustAnotherSnakeCult]

My hope was to come up with an SBS build/plan that didn’t involve changing the mag tube. Either way, great info thanks for the help.

[JTNieman]

My hope was to come up with an SBS build/plan that didn’t involve changing the mag tube. Either way, great info thanks for the help.

I've seen a fair few people recreate the Clyde Morrow "whip it" shotgun, made from a Browning Auto 5 shotgun, with a barrel chopped at the mag tube, and the buttstock shortened. Not mag tube mod.

There's a difference between SBS'ing something, and just making a 12ga handgun.

[JTNieman]

The only way the mag tube would be an issue is when it comes to hunting with mag capacity limitations in your state. For that matter the BBL length or the fact it is an NFA weapon may be an issue locally as well. I have never seen anything on mag capacity in the NFA operations guidebook or MFG regs.

That doesn't matter at all, TBH>

I've never heard of a state that has restrictions on mag tube capacity that didn't agree that a "plug" in the mag tube is effective in complying with capacity laws. That's kinda why all pump guns typically come with a plug in, or with, them.

It reduces the mag tube to a 2 roudn capacity, making you compliant if you're carrying it while hunting.


Aside from that... if you were really concerned with it, you can swap the mag tubes -almost- as easy as the barrel. Not -as- easy, but similar in mechanics. For most common pump guns anyways.

[OldSchool45b]

That doesn't matter at all, TBH>

I've never heard of a state that has restrictions on mag tube capacity that didn't agree that a "plug" in the mag tube is effective in complying with capacity laws. That's kinda why all pump guns typically come with a plug in, or with, them.

It reduces the mag tube to a 2 roudn capacity, making you compliant if you're carrying it while hunting.


Aside from that... if you were really concerned with it, you can swap the mag tubes -almost- as easy as the barrel. Not -as- easy, but similar in mechanics. For most common pump guns anyways.

Yeah, the tube length does not matter at all, it is capacity. That is what I was saying.

[Dogan]

Oh, that reminds me: I had someone ask me if this was a .50BMG once.

.22 Buntline? I believe Charlie Manson used one.

I can't remember the model -- I'll be in Springfield, MO for the weekend for a jazz band competition, so I'll have to get back to you Sunday evening or Monday evening.

That thing is begging to be SBR'd with a detachable maple or walnut stock and matching grips.

I just had a thought. Is that barrel over 16 inches? If so, can't you just stock it (if OAL is gonna be over 26 inches) without a stamp?

[hatchtrikk]

I'm having trouble getting a straight answer from the ATF (imagine that ) so I figured I'd ask you guys. *clears throat* JamesCannon *clears throat*

If I want to send a registered SBR from Texas to Tennessee, do need to fill out any forms?

Regular Guy suggested I contact the ATF and they keep saying shit like, "I think you need to fill out a form 5, maybe..."


I'm sending my Draco to Troy@InRange for upgrades, FYI. Not selling.


Thanks.


Rex

[JTNieman]

I'm having trouble getting a straight answer from the ATF (imagine that ) so I figured I'd ask you guys. *clears throat* JamesCannon *clears throat*

If I want to send a registered SBR from Texas to Tennessee, do need to fill out any forms?

Regular Guy suggested I contact the ATF and they keep saying shit like, "I think you need to fill out a form 5, maybe..."


I'm sending my Draco to Troy@InRange for upgrades, FYI. Not selling.


Thanks.


Rex

Honestly? Fuck if I know. The safest, safest, safest way is to bring it to a local dealer that deals in NFA items, and have them send it in. Best guess on my part is that you're ok with that though - since you're sending it in to a manufacturer for work. However... dunno.

Sorry, I just do shop work lol. I don't mess with the nitty gritty details of paperwork and all that fun stuff. Not enough to know about this particular issue. I would never tell anyone to ever, ever, ever call the BATFE though. Shame on Regular Guy for that stupid advice

Call the guys at InRange... ask THEM.

[nimdabew]

What are you sending the rifle in for? Depending on the work, you would be able to just send the upper or even buy the tools and do it yourself cheaper.

[hatchtrikk]

James,
Bringing it to a local NFA dealer seems like a sound idea. Thanks for that I went ahead and checked the status of a stamp while I was calling (still pending, of course) so it was not that big of a deal. Regular Guy's advice is usually GTG

I've been exchanging emails with InRange. They just said to wrap it up and ship it. When asked about forms and the like, they said not to worry. I know they know what they are doing, but it's my ass and my rifle that could end up in hock.(sp?) Hence, I worry.


Nim, the work I am having done requires the entire rifle to be shipped, particularly the receiver. I don't trust myself to do this work. Maybe after I've built a few AKs from kits I will, but not now.

[nimdabew]

Oh. AK. Bah.

[Regular Guy]

I'm having trouble getting a straight answer from the ATF (imagine that ) so I figured I'd ask you guys. *clears throat* JamesCannon *clears throat*

If I want to send a registered SBR from Texas to Tennessee, do need to fill out any forms?

Regular Guy suggested I contact the ATF and they keep saying shit like, "I think you need to fill out a form 5, maybe..."


I'm sending my Draco to Troy@InRange for upgrades, FYI. Not selling.


Thanks.


Rex

Honestly? Fuck if I know. The safest, safest, safest way is to bring it to a local dealer that deals in NFA items, and have them send it in. Best guess on my part is that you're ok with that though - since you're sending it in to a manufacturer for work. However... dunno.

Sorry, I just do shop work lol. I don't mess with the nitty gritty details of paperwork and all that fun stuff. Not enough to know about this particular issue. I would never tell anyone to ever, ever, ever call the BATFE though. Shame on Regular Guy for that stupid advice

Call the guys at InRange... ask THEM.

I am shamed. I'll research the issue tomorrow at work. If I can't find it online I'll walk down to the ATF and ask them in person.

[hatchtrikk]

I am shamed. I'll research the issue tomorrow at work. If I can't find it online I'll walk down to the ATF and ask them in person.

Aw, RG, you don't have to do all that. But I'll greatly appreciate it if you do

I also contacted the lawyer that set up my trust to see what he has to say about the matter. I should have the parts I need in the next few days, so hopefully I'll have a solid answer by then.

Why the fuck am I so impatient

Damn these guns and my lust for them.

[OldSchool45b]

If you are sending an NFA firearm for repairs, upgrades or warranty work to an SOT, the transfer is done on a Form 5. You file a duplicate copy with ATF NFA Branch. There is no need for approval, it is simply to let them know that you are transferring possession to that SOT for work. This is a very common procedure.

[Regular Guy]

If you are sending an NFA firearm for repairs, upgrades or warranty work to an SOT, the transfer is done on a Form 5. You file a duplicate copy with ATF NFA Branch. There is no need for approval, it is simply to let them know that you are transferring possession to that SOT for work. This is a very common procedure.

Look into it and ding, ding ding, this is it. Form 5 for the win.

[JTNieman]

I am shamed. I'll research the issue tomorrow at work. If I can't find it online I'll walk down to the ATF and ask them in person.

Just playing around. I just have a certain paranoia about contacting the ATF for even the slightest concern. My philosophy is to let sleeping dogs lie - and that is one big dog. Hence why I never followed up further on my Gun Nutz VFG inquiry I had already done too much..


Thanks for the update on the Form 5.

I'm seeing lots of info saying that sending a copy of your tax stamp is acceptable. Can't find any source from .gov sites to say one way or the other.

[Regular Guy]

I am shamed. I'll research the issue tomorrow at work. If I can't find it online I'll walk down to the ATF and ask them in person.

Just playing around. I just have a certain paranoia about contacting the ATF for even the slightest concern. My philosophy is to let sleeping dogs lie - and that is one big dog. Hence why I never followed up further on my Gun Nutz VFG inquiry I had already done too much..

Yeah, I took it as a joke, the whole shame thing. Since I'm waiting on 5 tax stamps I figure I had better know the regs and rules so I don't break them. I was actually concerned that I did not know the right thing to do about shipping the NFA item.
The form 5 addresses the item and where it's going not where you're taking it. Kind of like it itself is an entity and it's movements need to be tracked, not the means at which it travels.

[JTNieman]

The only reason I haven't chimed in with an "authoritative" answer from an NFA manufacturer is because they've been holed up in meetings all morning

[OldSchool45b]

Make sure you send a copy of your From 4 with it. It is not required, and they can easily run a NFA records check but it makes the life of the MFG lots easier if they get a compliance inspection while your item is there.

[JTNieman]

Make sure you send a copy of your From 4 with it. It is not required, and they can easily run a NFA records check but it makes the life of the MFG lots easier if they get a compliance inspection while your item is there.

Yea, typically what I see, as a lowly worker, is a copy of their Form 4 or Form 1 included in the packet of srs bsns info that accompanies work orders. I just don't know if that's -all- they had to send in.

[hatchtrikk]

Sending SBR paperwork out tomorrow. Fresh 6 month start for this, 3 more months to go on the SLR.

Tax stamps are the most boring way to spend money. Until the payoff, of course

[Regular Guy]

Sending SBR paperwork out tomorrow. Fresh 6 month start for this, 3 more months to go on the SLR.

Tax stamps are the most boring way to spend money. Until the payoff, of course

Right on. I'm sending my 7.62 can in on Monday. Woot.

[UndeadInfidel]

It's been almost 5 months since my stamp submission and it seems like a lifetime. I'm about to just save up and buy 2-3 cans at once so I can get it all out of the way. Maybe I'll SBR one of my lowers in the meantime for the hell of it.

[Regular Guy]

It's been almost 5 months since my stamp submission and it seems like a lifetime. I'm about to just save up and buy 2-3 cans at once so I can get it all out of the way. Maybe I'll SBR one of my lowers in the meantime for the hell of it.

I spoke with the ATF again, 6 months is the norm. It will take 6 months, no matter what.

[ausher]

Whats the oal a pistol have to be to be able to use a stock and or a vfg?