All purpose NFA questions thread

[Regular Guy]

Sure, thanks for the response Liff.

I spoke with Phil at Innovative Arms about shooting 22LR in my specific can. He said, no worries, blast away but put 15-20rds of 5.56 through the can every 200-300 rds of 22 LR. The problem, as he explained, with other cans is that they have small holes or just holes the can/will get clogged with lead/carbon. This can has a mono-core design that doesn't have any small hole, just the center hole that the bullet flies through. He said the blast chambers are large enough that they will never clog as long as you stick with the "maintenance" schedule.

So as a general rule, 22LR in 5.56 can, bad mojo. 22LR in my specific can, good to go.

I'm still getting a 22LR can.

[Regular Guy]

Alright, cleaned the carbon out of my can by putting about 150 rds thru it today. It was so haut it had a very visual mirage coming off it. I didn't even try to go anywhere near it. It again brought the noise level of a 10.5" SBR down to a 22 LR rifle level. I know because my son was shooting his 10/22 vs. my AR. Both sounded the same, at least to my ear.
On another note, the gun was dirty as hell after but it ran like a top, no issues. AR-15, FTW. My son was running my 22/45 at the plate machine today, he was dinging plates with great regularity.

Kind of like this.....

[hatchtrikk]

So the smith said he doesn't trust either of the threads on the AKs that I wanted to suppress.

Fuck suppressing the AKs


Now I'm looking for recommendations on thread on AR suppressors.

Leaning towards the AAC Ranger 3. Comments/concerns?

[Regular Guy]

Now I'm looking for recommendations on thread on AR suppressors.

Leaning towards the AAC Ranger 3. Comments/concerns?

Those huntertown seem good and affordable. Have you looked the OPS suppressors? Those get great reviews and are under $500. I'd tout IA but.....

[hatchtrikk]

RG, you're allowed to pimp your shit


Alright, here are the contenders. If you own or have experience with any of these, please speak up.


AAC Ranger 3: http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=953

Gemtech Trek: http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/TREK-9p50.htm

Innovative Arms Grunt: http://www.innovativearms.com/

Huntertown Arms Kestrel: http://www.huntertownarms.com/k556.php


HALP

[Regular Guy]

I can't comment on any but the IA Mini Grunt. I was on the phone with the owner/guy that made them and he will talk your balls off, in a good way. He basically says that no matter what happens to the can, he'll stand behind it, apart from you shooting it. He told me if you destroy the core he will replace it for labor costs. The QRF at the nuke sites around here are using them, they so far have put 30K rds on F/A through them. I can't say how they stand up against those other cans but I feel good that if I take a 20 minute ride I can have my can serviced.

If they ATF ever gets it in gear, I can give you first hand impressions on the grunt.

I don't get this smiley. >>>



Why, why do they put brakes on 10.5" guns?!?!<,1;m1p19o!!

[hatchtrikk]

BCM Kino 12.5 uppers in stock!

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductD ... M4%2D12+KD

I'm broke or I'd have already bought one

[Regular Guy]

Soooo PSA got some new cans in from C3 defense. They have a thread on 5.56 and a 22. The 5.56 is $450 and heavy as hell. The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight. I'm going to hold out for a S/S user serviceable can.

[JTNieman]

The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight.

Yikes.

That doesn't sound like a terribly attractive .22lr design. They mention on some media that it's suitable for shooting 5.7 as well, but they don't really touch on what they claim the benefits of the welded and sealed 'feature' is. It says it's a K baffle stack which lends itself to being taken apart and put through 'the dip' or however a person wants to clean them. The weight isn't too bad at 8oz OOTB but like you said, that's gonna gunk up real quick without much recourse. Though they specify a lifetime warranty, they make no mention about refurbishing/maintenance being part of that warranty, like some companies do, in the event of it being shot out or gunked up.

I don't know much of anything about C3 Defense though, so maybe they're better than that. /shrug

[Regular Guy]

The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight.

Yikes.

That doesn't sound like a terribly attractive .22lr design. They mention on some media that it's suitable for shooting 5.7 as well, but they don't really touch on what they claim the benefits of the welded and sealed 'feature' is. It says it's a K baffle stack which lends itself to being taken apart and put through 'the dip' or however a person wants to clean them. The weight isn't too bad at 8oz OOTB but like you said, that's gonna gunk up real quick without much recourse. Though they specify a lifetime warranty, they make no mention about refurbishing/maintenance being part of that warranty, like some companies do, in the event of it being shot out or gunked up.

I don't know much of anything about C3 Defense though, so maybe they're better than that. /shrug

Yeah, C3 said that you can clean it using any gun cleaner. I spoke with a bunch of people about trying to clean a sealed can, they said nope, not possible. I can't see this as a good deal at all. I handled one of their 5.56 cans and it's a boat anchor. I thought my IA cans were heavy, theirs are heavier by a good bit. They want $495 for that can.

[JTNieman]

The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight.

Yikes.

That doesn't sound like a terribly attractive .22lr design. They mention on some media that it's suitable for shooting 5.7 as well, but they don't really touch on what they claim the benefits of the welded and sealed 'feature' is. It says it's a K baffle stack which lends itself to being taken apart and put through 'the dip' or however a person wants to clean them. The weight isn't too bad at 8oz OOTB but like you said, that's gonna gunk up real quick without much recourse. Though they specify a lifetime warranty, they make no mention about refurbishing/maintenance being part of that warranty, like some companies do, in the event of it being shot out or gunked up.

I don't know much of anything about C3 Defense though, so maybe they're better than that. /shrug

Yeah, C3 said that you can clean it using any gun cleaner. I spoke with a bunch of people about trying to clean a sealed can, they said nope, not possible. I can't see this as a good deal at all. I handled one of their 5.56 cans and it's a boat anchor. I thought my IA cans were heavy, theirs are heavier by a good bit. They want $495 for that can.

Yea, unless you can physically get at a surface, it's hard to clean it. I physically clean the cans I shoot, or maintain here. I've never been forced to try to clean a sealed can, but I can't see it being easy. Even with any of the magic concoctions people use to cut through the carbon, lead, and copper deposits, you still have to manually remove it in some way other than shaking the thing. Maybe some ultrasonic cleaners have better success, but I imagine getting the loose gunk out would be a bitch. Again, I'm speaking from speculation on that. I've shot, but never had to clean, sealed cans. Mainly because I've never held a sealed .22lr can :/

[Dave_M]

Soooo PSA got some new cans in from C3 defense. They have a thread on 5.56 and a 22. The 5.56 is $450 and heavy as hell. The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight. I'm going to hold out for a S/S user serviceable can.

Wait, so you mean to tell me a sealed can is useless after 5-8k rounds?

Please.

Go shoot one for 10k rounds for real. Then get back to me--It's not useless (and user-serviceable cans are the new fad).

[Regular Guy]

Soooo PSA got some new cans in from C3 defense. They have a thread on 5.56 and a 22. The 5.56 is $450 and heavy as hell. The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight. I'm going to hold out for a S/S user serviceable can.

Wait, so you mean to tell me a sealed can is useless after 5-8k rounds? No, it's what a lot of people have been saying. Almost universally.

Please. 'Splain.

Go shoot one for 10k rounds for real. Then get back to me--It's not useless (and user-serviceable cans are the new fad).

'Splain. I'm just going off what I've been told and told and told. Do they need to be cleaned or is that BS? No one can really give me a straight answer. Here's the rub, I don't want to get an NFA item and have it have a finite life span. I'm not opposed to anything but I've spoken with a bunch of folks that have told me don't get one.

[JustAnotherSnakeCult]

Soooo PSA got some new cans in from C3 defense. They have a thread on 5.56 and a 22. The 5.56 is $450 and heavy as hell. The 22 is carbon steel, built to beat someone with and $149. Big problem with it though, its sealed. So after about 5-8k rds you have a nice lead NFA paper weight. I'm going to hold out for a S/S user serviceable can.

Wait, so you mean to tell me a sealed can is useless after 5-8k rounds? No, it's what a lot of people have been saying. Almost universally.

Please. 'Splain.

Go shoot one for 10k rounds for real. Then get back to me--It's not useless (and user-serviceable cans are the new fad).

'Splain. I'm just going off what I've been told and told and told. Do they need to be cleaned or is that BS? No one can really give me a straight answer. Here's the rub, I don't want to get an NFA item and have it have a finite life span. I'm not opposed to anything but I've spoken with a bunch of folks that have told me don't get one.

I’m curious as well. I have been told by many many people that user serviceability is pretty pointless on center fired cans (be they pistol or rifle) but critical for .22 cans.

I'm a mere 2 weeks away from the magical 6 month mark so i should have my very own to shoot 10K rounds through soon!

[cssims]

New can for me...



I'm taking to the gun shop on Thursday to have them make sure everything lines up on my AR & AK.



Now I just need the GSR I ordered to come in. *sigh*

My limited knowledge on the cleaning a centerfire suppressor is that the higher pressure of the round helps to blow out all of the collected crud in the can. Which is why .22's suppressors are being made so that you can take them apart as they don't have as much pressure. My Sparrow is a pain to clean if I put too many rounds through it. Speaking of which I need to clean it soon.

[Regular Guy]

Alright, I've been looking to buy a 22 suppressor for some time. I've heard many conflicting reports and seemingly dead ends until this weekend. I spoke with a guy that layed down the knowledge on me. I'm seriously looking to buy a Silencerco Sparrow S/S. Does anyone know if there is anything wrong with this can? I'm liking is durability and this ease of maintance.
They want $425 for it but I haven't done a price check on it.

[Greg Focker]

Why, why do they put brakes on 10.5" guns?!?!<,1;m1p19o!!

Weren't you the guy who was running a 16" .308 with a brake at a class?

[Regular Guy]

Yeah that was me. I've been known to be contradictory.

[0122358]

it seems like SBRs are the cheapest NA item to purchase...

Also, lets say i have an AR15 pistol...and my state eventually allows SBRs...is it possible to convert that into a sbr?

[JustAnotherSnakeCult]

it seems like SBRs are the cheapest NA item to purchase...

Also, lets say i have an AR15 pistol...and my state eventually allows SBRs...is it possible to convert that into a sbr?

I don’t agree that SBRs are the cheapest. But yes if you have an AR pistol and your state allows SBRs you can convert it to an SBR (Form 1). Once approved swap out the pistol buffer for a rifle buffer and stock.

Edit: you'll need it engraved too

[UndeadInfidel]

I've been away from the forums for a few months since my move to Orlando, but I've had my 22sparrow ss for a while and I'm loving the can. It's nice and quiet on my pistols as well as the 15-22 and 10/22. On the rifles with subsonic ammo it's so quiet/low recoil that it's kind of boring.

Some crappy videos:

[UndeadInfidel]

I'm thinking I'm going to need to send in a 5320.20 for a permanent change of address. It was an in-state move, and it's debatable whether this is really a requirement or not. Since I've moved while I have tax stamps pending, I figured I'd rather play it safe.

Anyone else bother doing this with an in-state move?

[Doctorr Fabulous]

SBR question: If I SBR an AR and register it with a 12" barrel, I can put a shorter or longer upper on with no problems so long as I still have a 12" upper around, correct?

Also: Does a lower have to be marked "multi-caliber" to utilize (legally) anythign other than its marked caliber? I thought I remebered ATF saying that .22 kits in a .223 were okay, but thought someone had said that putting .300, for instance, through an SBR marked ".223" would cause an issue.

[Regular Guy]

SBR question: If I SBR an AR and register it with a 12" barrel, I can put a shorter or longer upper on with no problems so long as I still have a 12" upper around, correct?

Correct. You can temporarily have any upper on it you want just as long as you retain and can return it to it's original configuration. IF you travel, have the gun in original configuration.

Also: Does a lower have to be marked "multi-caliber" to utilize (legally) anythign other than its marked caliber? I thought I remebered ATF saying that .22 kits in a .223 were okay, but thought someone had said that putting .300, for instance, through an SBR marked ".223" would cause an issue.

No, you must write the caliber. It can not be multi. The SBR must be caliber specific. Like I stated previously, you can put any upper on it you want in any caliber you want. All my lowers say multi but I had to be caliber specific. However, you do not have to engrave the lower with the caliber, it just has to be that caliber by the diameter of the barrel. You just need to retain the original configuration. That's one of the reasons the AR is the NFA gun to own IMO. AKs or any other gun has issues swapping calibers becuase it's a permanent change for other guns, generally.